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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carrol Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Men women sex - The scientific pov.


> > Nancy Gish wrote:
> >
> > Well, he is quite certain that he does know.  That is what is so
> > infuriating.  Eliot, on the other hand, seems never to be concerned
> > about it.  "Ode" is an ode to total sexual narcissism; the narrator
> > seems utterly unaware that another person might have feelings about
> > such an awful experience.
>
>
> I'm unfamiliare with "Ode," and Google failed to help with it.  (I was
> also unfamiliar with "Figs," but Google came through on it. Does anyone
> have an electronic copy of it they could send me. I'm particularly
> interested just now in "infuriating" poems. "Figs" is infuriating
> enough, but its writing seems slack to me, and I want well-written
> outrages.
>
> Note, assuming "ode" well written (or that I am wrong on "Figs"), There
> must be 10s of thousands of pages of trash expressing "utter
> unawareness" of others, and surely we meet up with such unawareness in
> daily life. Couldn't one argue that in fact one of the central functions
> of literature is to make visible the outrageous! The attitudes Lawrence
> expresses are not his alone; they probably are widespread enough to be
> an element in the ideological support for continued male supremacy. A
> poem does not itself need to "know" or "express" the truth, if by
> considering the poem a reader may find truth for him/herself.
>
> Poets, as Plato claimed, may all be liars -- but readers may
> nevertheless gain truth from the lies, be those lies powerfully enough
> expressed.
>
> Carrol
>
> Carrol
>
>
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