Those civilians elected Hamas,   My husband would say, Nancy,  that this is a 
case of two women who refuse to let the other get the last  word.  I'll let 
Bono get the last word.   He deserves it.   U2's performance today at the 
Lincoln memorial  Amazing.  He deserves  the last word.
In a message dated 1/18/2009 10:11:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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Dear Kate,
I'm sorry to say that I think the consequences of your first message  remain. 
 It is not the case that one can just "move on" and not address  real issues. 
 In this case, I wish to dissociate myself not only from the  first comment 
about Europeans but this later blaming of innocent civilians for  being bombed. 
 I doubt that anyone would be simply philosophical if  Iraqis were bombing us 
for occupying their country and killing many thousands  while destroying 
their infrastructure.  We are left with the consequences  of a war over "WMDs" 
that never existed.  
I do agree that none of this was appropriate anyway.  But  podsnappery is 
never appropriate.

>>> Kate Troy 01/18/09 9:38  PM >>>
They have the right, Carrol, but people must also accept consequences for  
exerting their rights.  They decided to elect a terrorist group to lead  their 
country.  The results of that decision is awful, but they need  to look to 
themselves for their current situation. I have the right to be  rude to my 
neighbors, but should I then be moaning to the world that  my neighbors reacted with 
superior rudeness and won't talk to  me and invite me to their parties.  The 
world, by the way, did  have a little sympathy for them until they elected 
We American also had the right to elect a youngish, intelligent black man  to 
be President of the United States and we did so.  So, let's end this  
discussion with the good that going on this week in the world.
In a message dated 1/18/2009 8:50:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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>  Nancy Gish wrote:
> There is clearly no point in discussing  this because there is too much
> history to address.  Gaza was  isolated and poor before they elected
> Hamas.

Indeed, it is  hopeless to discuss this issue in the U.S. If Americans
were to read the  Israeli press itself they would have a much better
understanding than  they get from the u.s. pres or from u.s. politicians.

Gaza,  incidentally, is the most thickly populated area on earth. I
gather that  Kate has denied the right of the palestinian people to elect
their own  government, and asserted that they must only elect governments
that meet  the approval of the same people that refer to Arabs  as


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