Thanks for the links.
I'd like to read the rest of the Litz essay, but the $85 price tag for the book is a bit high right now. Maybe Santa will bring me the book, but I think I've been more naughty than nice this year.
It's quite interesting that the original LG draft had the lines:
" And I, becoming other and many, cried,
And heard my voice: "Are you here, Ser Brunetto'? "
I know the Dante link you sent me didn't have Eliot in it directly, but it's such a good essay that I think the list will enjoy it.
Keep an open mind about Prufrock. It's not just the pipe. It's the references to Michelangelo, and the mermaids, and the lonely men in shirt-sleeves, and the half-deserted strrets, and the poem's dedication, and the book's dedication -- stuff like that.
-- Tom --
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:57:25 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: A TSE reference to Inferno XV before 'Little Gidding'?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Here I am, late again. Sorry, but I haven't been much up for writing
> Tom but you've been getting me reading and thinking. Here is some of
> what I've found on Eliot and Latini that I think you will appreciate.
> Eliot early on wrote about Brunetto Latini. See the third paragraph of
> Part II of "Tradition and the Individual Talent."
> In "T.S. Eliot: The Modernist in History" (edited by Ronald Bush) A.
> Walton Litz writes about Eliot and Latini in "The Allusive Poet: Eliot
> and his Sources." The essay quotes correspondence between TSE and John
> Hayward and has some of the drafts of 4Q (the "What! Are you here?"
> originally named Latini.) It makes much of Yeats as the Master.
> The essay starts on p. 137 but Google has a page view limit so
> start on page 146. I hope this link will work.
> The essay I sent to you privately
> I sent that way because it didn't discuss Eliot at all. It was pretty
> good on how Dante's use of detail made his characters feel real.
> Regarding the original message subject of: "A TSE reference to Inferno
> XV before 'Little Gidding'?" you wrote:
> > As always, comments, criticisms, and corrections are welcome.
> My comment: I'm glad you put in the question mark. I say "No way."
> Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe.
> Rick Parker
> > 12/13/08
> > A few weeks ago, the list was discussing an allusion in Little Gidding to
> > Dante's Inferno Canto XV, where Dante meets Ser Brunetto Latini in the
> > circle of the sodomites. In that Canto there is an image of smoke and dusk
> > that is echoed in Little Gidding:
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