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I can take some blame for the banding.  As I told Edge later, I wanted a 
positive ID on the bird.  I'm the one who contacted Lanny and in his defense 
I'll say he was hesitant to come down.  However, when he banded the 
Black-chinned for us it stuck around and many people got to see it.  I was 
certainly sorry that Edge Wade and her group were disappointed because Edge 
has been so very helpful to those of us who need help around Columbia.  She 
came and met me and guided me to the Calliope when it was in Columbia. 
Because of a church commitment Sunday morning I was unable to greet Edge and 
her van load of folks.  Even with 80th year hearing I was able to hear the 
bird while sitting with Josh Uffman Saturday afternoon.  We think the bird 
is still present but we will post the info when it becomes positively 
available.  Sorry to those who made the trip without success.  I guess we 
should start a club for those of us who have missed everything from the 
Band-tailed Pigeon to date.  Regards to all.
Bob Lewis  [log in to unmask]   Farmington   St. Francois County
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From: "Chris Hobbs" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: B-T h'bird banded


> Having hosted two (2) rare hummers in my yard (Allen's and Broad-billed), 
> I can attest that capturing and banding presents all kinds of dilemmas. 
> In each of the cases I was involved, the birds made it their top priority 
> to get the heck out of there!
>
> The technique of the Master hummingbird bander of the Allen's was 
> downright painful.  She didn't want to quickly pluck a tail feather 
> because she thought it would 'hurt' the bird, so she instead decided to 
> sloooowly pull until it gave way.  The poor bird squeaked pitifully and 
> struggled under this torture - that image still bothers me to this day and 
> I'd never allow that person to touch another hummer if I could help it. 
> The banding occured near dusk one evening, and the bird returned the next 
> morning before dawn, guzzled for several minutes, then left for good.
>
> Although the Broad-billed fared much better under the expert care of the 
> late Troy Gordon, the outcome was the same - the freshly banded bird dined 
> and dashed.  As Edge mused, the exercise is obviously unpleasant to the 
> bird and enough to cause them to flee the scene.
>
> I'm satisfied there's plenty of scientific reason for the banding of the 
> Broad-tailed, and any bird for that matter, and the goal was not 
> identification - that was accurately accomplished in the field.  I do 
> question the timing . . . it would have been nice to wait until the 
> weekend warriors had an opportunity to see the bird.  Given the balance of 
> viewing opportunities for interested birders vs. the scientific value of 
> banding, I'd give the nod to the viewers because it presents an 
> educational opportunity right then and there.  The scientific value is a 
> crap-shoot that may rely more on the low probability of a future banding 
> recovery.  I'd take the bird in the bush over the bird in the hand every 
> time, under those circumstances!
>
> Same goes for scientific collecting.  Give people adequate opportunity to 
> see and learn before taking the educational process to another level.
>
> Chris Hobbs
> Shawnee, KS
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Edge <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008 9:34 am
> Subject: Re: B-T h'bird banded
>
>> Would you come back to a feeder after being handled like this and
>> a
>> leg iron put on you?
>>
>> I sincerely question the scientific value of this banding episode.
>>
>> The species was already solidly determined.  This out-of-range
>> bird's
>> subsequent (highly unlikely) band recovery would tell us nothing.
>>
>> To me, this banding falls in that category of "just because you
>> can
>> doesn't mean you should."
>>
>> Yup, sour grapes certainly a factor in my post, but if someone can
>>
>> give a reasonable explanation as to why this bird had to be banded
>>
>> and why it had to be Saturday evening, not Monday or Tuesday, I'm
>> willing to hear it.
>>
>> Edge Wade
>> Columbia, MO
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>>
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Charlene and Jim Malone wrote:
>>
>> > Lanny Chambers banded the Broad-Tailed Hummingbird this evening.
>> Up
>> > close and personal photo.
>> > http://www.hummingbirds.net/images/btlh.jpg
>> >
>> > Hope it sticks around. :-)
>> >
>> > OK.........posted enough.
>> >
>> > Nitie-nite.
>> > Charlene Malone
>> > St. L.......yada, yada
>> >
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