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I believe the One-eyed Reilly in The Cocktail Party is originally Scottish.
At least I found it in a Book of Scottish Ballads once.
P.
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  From: Diana Manister 
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  Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:36 PM
  Subject: Re: "Zietgeist" (Was Inventions of the March Hare )


  Well yeah, if you want to get all accurate about it! LOL. Scottish Ballads are a subset of English Ballads in most compendia.
   
  Diana

  > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:11:39 -0400
  > From: [log in to unmask]
  > Subject: Re: "Zietgeist" (Was Inventions of the March Hare )
  > To: [log in to unmask]
  > 
  > Dear Diana,
  > 
  > My point is that "Sir Patrick Spence" is not in Middle English; it is in
  > Middle Scots.
  > Nancy 
  > 
  > >>> Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> 03/20/08 12:49 PM >>>
  > 
  > 
  > Sorry, I don't know why I wrote "spoken English" in my previous message.
  > My bad. Diana
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > Nancy, I should have written "more pronounced German elements in
  > English." That's an unintended pun! Middle English shows its German
  > origins more than modern English.> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:10
  > -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: "Zietgeist" (Was
  > Inventions of the March Hare )> To: [log in to unmask]> > I'm not sure
  > what you mean by "the elements of German in daily speech,"> but that is
  > misleading here. The ballad is in Scots, which developed> from
  > Northumbrian. Modern English developed from Mercian. Both have> elements
  > of German, and in Scots the sound changes developed later and> less
  > completely than in modern English. But words like "milk," "house,">
  > "glass," "wine" remain cognates in English and German. My point is that>
  > this is not English with some "elements of German": it is Scots with>
  > some sounds and words that are Germanic--since all Anglo-Saxon was a>
  > Germanic language. Modern Scots retains, for example, three sounds that>
  > do not exist in modern English: the sounds of "licht," "loch" and>
  > "muir."> Nancy> >>> Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> 03/20/08
  > 10:44 AM >>>> > > Carrol,> > Language enacts the history of its time;
  > it's a time capsule. It> provides more information than was recognized
  > by the writer. Just as> when a snapshot is taken, neither the subjects
  > nor the photographer> could know how strange hairstyles and clothing and
  > the 1938 Ford will> look to those looking at the picture in the future.>
  > > "THE king sits in Dumferling toune,> Drinking the blude-reid wine:> ‘O
  > whar will I get guid sailor,> To sail this schip of mine?’> > Up and
  > spak an eldern knicht,> Sat at the kings richt kne:> ‘Sir Patrick Spence
  > is the best sailor> That sails upon the se.’"> > Sailing ships, knights,
  > the king, the smallness of a world in which the> best sailors were
  > well-known, and many other factors of the culture of> that time, not the
  > least of which are the elements of German in daily> speech, are
  > communicated in just first stanzas from "Sir Patrick Spens."> > Another
  > ballad, having the same deep structure of describing a hero, is> the
  > following:> > "Born on a mountain top in Tennessee,> Greenest state in
  > the land of the free.> Raised in the woods so's he knew every tree,>
  > Killed him a b'ar when he was only three.> Davy, Davy Crockett> King of
  > the Wild Frontier."> > "West Side Story" and Shakespeare's "Romeo and
  > Juliet" tell the same> story of lovers facing the same obstacles, in
  > other words they have the> same deep structure. Everything else is
  > zeitgeist.> > The I Ching is based on the metaphysical belief that
  > "everything that> occurs in a moment partakes of that moment." Whether
  > you share that> belief or not, you cannot deny that language
  > incorporates its historical> period. Or, to put it another way, history
  > is inseparable from language.> > I regret using the word "zeitgeist;" it
  > invites ridicule. No one uses it> anymore, but it does say what I mean:>
  > > American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition:>
  > Zeitgeist "The general moral, intellectual, and cultural climate of an>
  > era; Zeitgeist is German for "time-spirit." For example, the Zeitgeist>
  > of England in the Victorian period included a belief in industrial>
  > progress, and the Zeitgeist of the 1980s in the United States was a>
  > belief in the power of money and the many ways in which to spend it."> >
  > Analyzing a work of art for a manifest point-to-point correspondence>
  > with events such as the storming of the winter palace, or the general>
  > strike or lynchings in the south ignores the condensation found in the>
  > language of art. Even the most linear thinker has dreams in which>
  > logical connections are replaced by simultaneity in time. > > Julia
  > Kristeva writes in Language The Unknown that dreapainter who, in a picture of the school of Athens or of Parnassus,>
  > represents in one group all the philosphers or all the poets. It is
  > true> that they were never in fact assembled in a single hall or on a
  > single> mountaintop; but they certainly form a group...."> > Whether
  > Eliot placed any credence in Freudian theory or not, if Freud> was
  > correct about the similarity of art language and dream language,>
  > Eliot's poetry would exhibit Freudian insights (birds are not>
  > ornithologists.)> > Freud wrote: "Dreams are brief, meagre and laconic
  > in comparison with> the range and wealth of the dream-thoughts." The
  > extreme dream-symbols parallels that of literary symbols, which likewise
  > are> over-determined and represent in a single symbol contents that
  > "are> often widely divergent in their nature."> > So that lynchings in
  > the south may be expressed in a multi-valent symbol> or image whose
  > ostensible referent is not slavery but which is partly> determined by
  > the existence of lyncings in the south. > > Van Gogh's dreams, like his
  > paintings, would necessarily include horses,> carriages, gas lamps and
  > absinthe, while a painter in our time would> dream and paint out of an
  > experience of orbiting spy satellites, video> games, cell phones and
  > computers. Both dreams might have the same deep> content, i.e., tell the
  > same story, but the zeitgeist in both cases> finds ways to have its
  > say.> > Diana> > > Diana Manister wrote:> > > > At least in TWL the
  > zeitgeist speaks.> > Carrol wrote:> > 1. I would challenge the existence
  > of any such entity> as the> "Zeitgeist." Any age I know of exhibits too
  > large a variety of> fractured> spirits to speak of _A_ spirit of the
  > age. Put otherwise, I> don't even> know what "spirit of the age" could
  > conceivably mean. It> seems utterly> empty of content.> > 2. Eliot did
  > explicitly deny that> TWL expressed some spirit of> disillusinment of
  > the age or something> like that. Nancy or Marcia could> probably be more
  > explicit on this,> citing the text and correcting my> sloppiness here.>
  > > 3. What does The> Zeitgeist say? Storming of the Winter Palace? The>
  > General Strike?> Lynchings in the South? (TWL follows by only a couple>
  > decades Twain's> masterpieces, "The United States of Lyncherdom" and
  > "To> The Person> Sitting in Darkness." The resignation, protesting
  > Wilson's> War Policy,> of William Jennings Bryan: that is his true
  > heritage, not> the stupid> trial? My great uncle, who organized
  > sheepherders in Montana> for the> IWW. Beginning of the (hopeless?)
  > struggle to end English 1 (its>> inventor called it the greatest mistake
  > of his life)? The murder of> Rosa> Luxemberg? The Easter Rebellion? The
  > failure to hang the various> war> criminals (all responsible politicians
  > of Germany, France, England,> &> U.S.) Imprisonment of Gene Debs?
  > Freeing of Gene Debs by the only> honest> u.s. president in the 205h c.
  > -- Warren G. Harding?> > 4. When> did this Zeitgeist leap into
  > existence, and when did it sink> into the> grave? Would we recognize it
  > were we to meet it walking down a> dark> alley?> > And so forth.> >
  > Carrol>
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