By no means do I profess to be an expert at gull identification, but I do consider myself fairly conservative when it comes to making calls on tough IDs, especially vagrants/hybrids/etc. David Sibley has strong words of wisdom when it comes to gull identification: 1. "Gull identification represents one of the most challenging and subjective puzzles in birding and should be approached only with patient and methodical study. A casual or impatient approach will not be rewarded." 2. "Bare parts vary just as other characteristics do. These characteristics should be weighed cautiously and not relied upon for identification." Having said that, I stared at what I hoped was the SBGU at 40-60x for at least 20-30 minutes yesterday evening and when it flew in the air it had the pink feet of an SBGU, along with the dark mantle, streaked head, and red bill spot. But what I never saw was the white separation between the outer primaries and the mantle ("string of pearls"?). Two out of state birders (Ohio?) standing next to me watched it for a much shorter time, concluded it was the SBGU and left. Who knows what we were really looking at... Which reminds me of a story my friend recently told me about chasing a vagrant rosy-finch (I've forgotten the species now). They had been studying it for a minute or so in bad weather and some other birders pulled up. "Do you have the rosy-finch?" the newcomers asked. "Uh, we think so," my friend responded. The newcomers looked at the bird for less than 5 seconds, said "Okay, cool!", and then jumped in the car to leave (presumably checking it off and high-fiving on the way home). As the others left my friend realized the bird they'd been looking at was actually a House Sparrow and a minute later they located the actual rosy-finch. Hopefully the bird is still down there, and I'll try for it again this weekend, but in the mean time I would remain cautious of "YES!" reports without sufficient documentation. Anyone relocate the Long-tailed Duck? Dress appropriately if you head down south. Best, Justyn Stahl Alton, IL __________________________________________________ ########################################################### * Audubon Society of Missouri's * * Wild Bird Discussion Forum * *---------------------------------------------------------* * To subscribe or unsubscribe, click here: * * https://po.missouri.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mobirds-l&A=1 * *---------------------------------------------------------* * To access the list archives, click here: * * http://po.missouri.edu/archives/mobirds-l.html * * * * To access the Audubon Society of Missouri Web * * Site: http://mobirds.org * ###########################################################