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Quoting Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]>:

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> Peter I thought I was indicating just the opposite. Art appreciation is quite
> different from art making. A designer of elevators needs to know a lot of
> technical stuff that riders do not. Diana> > Are you saying, in effect, that
> pretentious posturing> by use of critical jargon assists in the appreciation
> of the poems?> > P.> > > Quoting Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]>:> > >
> > > Carrol wrote:> > "I've read the poems for 50 years without ever thinking
> of them as"imagist"> > or "vorticist" or any other "ist." What evidence is
> there thatattending to> > these abstractions would transform my reading?"> >
> Carrol,> > > > If one is simply consuming poems then an awareness of various
> contemporaneous> > styles in relation to which the poet has positioned
> hinself aesthetically> > probably will not enhance the read. > > > > A writer
> however often finds it instructive to see what options were rejected> > or
> incorporated into a major poet's style and to try to get information as to> >
> why those options were chosen.> > > > Further, comparing Pound and Eliot's
> ideas about poetry throws the aesthetic> > position of each into relief.
> Comparisons are not always odious. > > > > Diana> > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007
> 11:45:16 -0600> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re:> > War and Justice> To:
> [log in to unmask]> > Diana Manister wrote:> > > >> > Carrol, I am
> attempting to clarify how Pound spoke out of both sides> > of> > his mouth
> with regard to poetry. Imagine my surprise when his> > slogans were> >
> attributed to me!> > You were/are using them as a perspective on a number of>
> > poems; no one> suggested that you coined them.> > I've read the poems for
> 50> > years without ever thinking of them as> "imagist" or "vorticist" or any
> other> > "ist." What evidence is there that> attending to these abstractions
> would> > transform my reading?> > Pound then (and thereafter for the most
> part) was> > engaged in a number of> different "projects," (Cathay &
> Fenellosa, getting> > Frost & Eliot> published, thinking about Provencal
> poetry, getting married,> > worrying> about friends in the trenches, meeting
> new people, presumably> > already> deep in Propertius (the Homage to Sextus
> Propertius could hardly> > have> dropped from the sky overnight), and so
> forth. He threw up a lot of>> > phrases. They are interesting, and sometimes
> cast a pale light at least> on> > the poems, but I still fail to see how any
> of those phrases or labels> can> > really direct our understanding of the
> poems.> > I suspect he spoke out of a> > dozen sides of his mouth. He was a
> very> multi-tasking fellow. So?> > Carrol> >
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