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From: "Carrol Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
> The topic is _literal_ meaning. If meaning has to be "recovered," then
> whatever kind of meaning it is it doesn't seem to be literal meaning. If
> a tree is made in some indirect way and not by a direct and visible
> fashioning, then almost anyone can make a tree by planting a seed or a
> seedling and nurturing it. And I would suppose most conceptions of god
> making a tree dont' involve him come down from heaven and going
> abracadabra or something. Kilmer's line is not difficult to comprehend
> as long as you don't try to comprehend it. Once you look at it, as Nancy
> did, and it's all mush.
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                                Words strain,
      Crack and sometimes break, under the burden,
      Under the tension, slip, slide, perish,
      Decay with imprecision, will not stay in place,
      Will not stay still. 

Burnt Norton.

P.