Thou, who art wise, better my meaning know'st, Than I can speak. ~ Dante : Inferno, II. (Trans. by Henry F. Cary) "O'Sullivan, Brian P" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I've always imagined that if the "daring moment" had a biographical referent, it was something less public and documentable than what we know of his marriage or conversion or change of national affiliation--something "not to be found in our obituaries." Brian Brian O'Sullivan, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of English Director of the Writing Center Montgomery Hall 50 18952 E. Fisher Rd. St. Mary's College of Maryland St. Mary's City, Maryland 20686 240-895-4242 ________________________________ From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. on behalf of Kate Troy Sent: Mon 6/11/2007 4:07 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Of "awful daring" These lines may not have referred to his marriage. Perhaps he meant leaving America and living his life as a British citizen. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Gish To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 1:29 pm Subject: Re: Of "awful daring" It need not be either approval or disapproval but simply fact. It was Eliot, after all, who said that it was better to do evil than to do nothing because "at least we exist." (Or it may be "at least we are alive"--I just read it but it's not right here.) In any case, daring moments are not very present in any of the poetry, and when they are possible, whoever is speaking tends to fail. It was not much of a marriage for Viv either, and it was she whose life never recovered. He seems to have sustained guilt over that but not to have acted on his guilt. Nancy >>> cr mittal 06/10/07 1:12 PM >>> Diana Manister wrote: The awful daring of a moment's surrender Which an age of prudence can never retract CR: I have always seen this as Eliot's way of saying "Marry in haste, repent at leisure." Not believing in divorce, his sudden to decision to marry Viv left him one of their lifetimes in which to repent. Diana I don't think so, Diana. There's a note of approval, not disapproval, to the "awful daring of a moment's surrender" in The awful daring of a moment's surrender Which an age of prudence can never retract // By this, and this only, we have existed // Regards, CR --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com . --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.