Thanks for your observations, Nancy Gish. The only connection I find with the hyacinth girl, as well as with Lil, Phelomela, and the lady in 'A Game of Chess', is that the victims are all female. One is not sure if there is death in the case of the hyacinth girl, though. And then death can be physical or psychic. The "corpse" in question could as well be a real or imaginary _female_ to fit into this scenario. It could, of course, be of a soldier or someone else too not connected with an act of guilt/sin, but then it would be out of place here, I guess. Maybe I presume too much :) Cheers! CR Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I think there is good reason to see the corpse as a crime and sin--the speaker's tone and attitude fit that and there is really no other reason to plant a corpse, unless it is the corpse of a dead soldier, a possible reading given the horror of trench warfare and the fact that both speaker and Stetson are soldiers. What I see no necessay reason for is the connection with sexual crime. A man may murder and bury a woman, but it is not the only kind of murder. As for Stetson, there actually was a man by that name in London from America a year or two before, and the hat is an American image. I do not have the source here right now, but there have been some identifications of the "Stetson" figure as someone--like Marie--who had put in an appearance. Valerie Eliot says there was an American banker by that name that Eliot may have met, but anyone from St. Louis, Missouri is familiar with the Stetson hat. But I think he is definitely a double. I have written on that for conferences: if you look at the quotation marks, the whole quotation about "hypocrite reader, my double, my brother," it is all addressed TO Stetson. I have no doubt at all about the savage in Eliot; he recognized it too well. I do not know what you mean by an antecedent in the Hyacinth garden. It has no corpse. What is the connection? Cheers, Nancy >>> cr mittal 06/06/07 2:19 PM >>> Dear Carrol and Nancy, Thanks for opening up for me the possibility of discussing TWL on so many fronts -- the thematic unity of the work, for instance, as I perceive it, or the leitmotif of lust at the heart of the wasteland. You'll presently hear me on these topics. But at the moment I'd like to focus on the Stetson passage. My apprehensions (understanding) in this regard are based on the following clues : 1. If Stetson has done nothing reprehensible in planting a corpse in the garden, where was the need to reprimand the reader [ 'You ! hypocrite lecteur ! ...] for occupying a high moral ground? -- they (the readers) are accused of hypocrisy in this regard, and reminded that they're no better than Stetson : "mon somblable, mon frere". 2. Of Stetson "It has been suggested that Eliot was here referring to Ezra Pound, whose favourite hat was a sombrero-stetson. Eliot said that he just meant any superior bank clerk in bowler-hat, black jacket and striped trousers, and that he was not referring to anyone in particular. Stetson is possibly the persona's alter ego -- an image of the split self. This is suggested by the allusions to Baudelaire." Jain, Manju, T.S. Eliot's Selected Poems (Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1998, p. 162) 3. Of "the savage" in Eliot : According to Peter Ackroyd, Eliot did sometimes speculate about the nature of "the savage" and even its presence within himself. Remarkably, in 'Eeldrop and Appleplex', Eeldrop (said to be a representation of Eliot) muses endlessly on the moral fate of a man who has murdered his mistress. One would not, therefore, be surprised if the poet here, in the persona of the speaker, addresses Stetson -- a dramatic visualization of himself, of his own alter ego. 4. The "local" context of the passage is grounded in a post-war scenario -- earlier or contemporary. Incidentally, Stetson was a slouch hat worn by soldiers of the Australian and New Zealand forces. Well, there's Albert, demobbed, returning home "to have a good time" -- and if Lil doesn't give it him, others will -- and Lil : It's them pills I took, to bring it off, she said. (She's had five already, and nearly died of young George.) Well, that Sunday Albert was home, they had a hot gammon, And they asked me in to dinner, to get the beauty of it hot --- And 'A Game of Chess' concludes on a poignant note with an allusion to mad Ophelia. And, previous to the tragedy of Lil is the tragic fate of another lady: Under the firelight, under the brush, her hair Spread out in fiery points Glowed into words, then would be savagely still. And, in the backdrop, we hear Philomela's timeless cry -- her onomatopoeic story of Teseus's criminal violence. And more, "That corpse you planted last year in your garden" has an antecedent in the hyacinth garden : ---Yet when we came back, late, from the hyacinth garden, Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither Living nor dead, and I knew nothing, Looking into the heart of light, the silence. One breathes in a haunting and pervasive air of tragedy even as one contemplates the fate of "the corpse" in question. And, as I said, it's just _a_ reading of sorts. And I took the liberty to share it in the hope that someone might -- just might -- find it plausible enough to pursue the lead. As for literary hermeneutics, one had as well share one's half-formed thoughts as not -- for not doing so would only foreclose the possibility of exploration. AND, thanks a lot, Peter Montgomery and Diana Manister, and Rickard Parker, for your comments. Regards, CR [P.S. 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