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I don't think it is clear what is meant in either post by "the
unconscious."  Carrol acknowledges unconscious processes, so why not the
unconscious? Diana speaks of "ordering the unconscious" but not of the
nature or individuality of it.  This is a very interesting question, and
I would be interested in definitions from both of you.  It is also
unclear in general how to distinguish the subconscious and the
unconscious.  Freud stuck to the latter, but Janet used the former more.
 And their relation to the conscious is complicated.  

Eliot, in TWL, clearly is drawing on many images and feelings that are
not simply rational or intentional.  I would say they are from the
subconscious.  Certainly his own later comments on how it was produced
make claim to non-conscious sources.  How do your definitions work on
that?
Cheers,
Nancy

Carrol, you imply by your disavowal of the unconcscious that all of our
mental processes take place within our conscious awareness. Diana




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From:  Carrol Cox <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:  "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]>
To:  [log in to unmask]
Subject:  Re: The Stetson Passage in TWL
Date:  Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:33:01 -0500
Diana Manister wrote:
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> Nancy, I sometimes think that myths are so often cited in poetry
> because they order the unconscious

About the only widely believed myth that is sillier than The Trinity is
The Unconscious as an entity. There are unconscious processes but when I
come across references to "The Unconscious" I just stop reading for only
silliness is apt to follow.

Carrol




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