Of solipsism BTW, here's a funny comment from Wikipedia: In one episode of Dinosaur Comics, T-Rex muses that there must also be an anti-solipsism, in which one believes that everything in the universe is real except themselves.... In the same comic, Utahraptor suggested the proper treatment for solipsism is to tell him about anti-solipsism and then punch the solipsist and say "Stop imagining punching yourself." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism#Solipsism_in_Literature CR Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Mallarmé indicated that when an artist removes God fom the altar, the self replaces it as an object of adoration. The self is eaten and shared with the devoted. In poetry, this results in solipsism as subject. Eliot avoided this by leaving God on the altar. Jewel Spears Brookner noted that Prufrock walks the line where the decision to replace God with the self torments him: the ritual of consuming the wafer and wine in the Mass is replaced with the secular "taking of a toast and tea," and the Word is replaced by words, which accounts for J. Alfred's aboulie. Mallarmé predicted that artists would liberate the Christian Mass which he called "a barbarous meal" and replace it with celebrations of the death and rebirth of nature in which the artists replaces the priest. Eliot avoided the solipsism Brookner describes by maintaining his faith as a subject. Or perhaps one should say his faiths, since tradition is inseparable for him from his religious faith. Diana . --------------------------------- From: Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: autobiography & 4Q Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:38:32 -0800 Embryology provides interest, but not necessarily understanding. Usually! The thought occurs that a poet's life as poet (not lover, or book publisher, or son, or misogynist or whatever) could well be an object in a poem which has as a major thread, the making of poetry. Can poetry be made out of the maker of the poetry? It certainly treads a fine thread between depersonalisation and self preoccupation. In an age of prose, it is perhaps appropriate that such a pursuit would have something of an expository character. Such biography would be less concerned with dates, and persons, and more with the development of the poetic consciousness. One could think that in the end, that is ALL the poet has to write about, if the other poetry has pretty much all been written. It would be the door marked EXIT for the poet as poet. The fire and the rose and the word are one. P. --------------------------------- Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You’ll love Windows Live Hotmail. --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.