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Thanks a lot, Peter, for your lucid comments.
You're right in remarking :
 
"Maintaining the focus on the perceptions helps to make a further
deeper perception possible, which  is, how Eliot was setting about
to shape perception itself."
 
Reminds me of Herman Hesse's SIDHARTHA where the
protagonist refuses to take for granted what has been told
to him by the Buddha, but instead chooses to "experience"
the path (laid down by Terry Eagleton !!! ) himself -- it's
proceeding from perception to perception --
the flashes dawning like the light on kingfisher's wings --
oh, it seems like the blueprint of some mystical journey
where one has to proceed from one revelation to another.
Is that so ?  Interesting !
 
But my foolish question still haunts me rather
doggedly -- has someone articulated this experience
of Eliot's poetry in terms of perceptions and deeper
perceptions ?  Any "footprints on the sands of time"
so that one may read them and take heart ???
 
Regardful thanks,
 
CR

Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Let us not forget that Eagleton has simply extrapolated from Eliot's own thinking,
in order to satisfy Eliot's own understanding of his approach to his work. Always
the focus is on the work, and secondarily on Eliot's guidelines to maintaining the
focus. Eaglton has simply evaporated some of the impeding steam. If one simply
continues to look for the effects generated by the work, rather than any given meaning,
one will get there. However, different effects will be generated by the same lines in
different people. So there is the paradox. By registering the effects one experiences,
the reader does have his or her own say in the discussion. Registering the effects
as experiences, rather than meanings is where the skill needs to develop. Sticking
with the senses, the perceptions, is the key. The discipline lies in resisting the temption
to attribute meanings to the perceptions. Maintaining the focus on the perceptions
helps to make a further deeper perception possible, which  is, how Eliot was setting
about to shape perception itself. A serious service is registered in laying that work bare.
 
What was it Pound said to Eliot about going in front doors and backdoors?
 
Cheers,
P.
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Here are, then, the theoretical parameters of a sensible approach
to Eliot, eliciting a unanimous applause from us. It makes me curious,
though, to learn if the List can guide the reader/student to some 
criticism/analysis of Eliot's work that adheres to the norms laid down
by Terry Eagleton.  Or must the reader/student of Eliot sift and choose
for himself/herself from a wide array of criticism -- as always ?
 
CR


Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hence the contempt for certain strains of criticism and/or analysis.
Love it.
P.
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"Eliot's poetry is not a question of meaning in the first place.
The meaning of a poem for Eliot was a fairly trifling matter. It was,
he once remarked, like the piece of meat which the burglar throws to
the guard dog to keep him occupied. In true symbolist fashion, Eliot
was interested in what a poem did, not in what it said—in the resonance
of the signifier, the echoes of its archetypes, the ghostly associations
haunting its grains and textures, the stealthy, subliminal workings of
its unconscious. Meaning was for the birds, or perhaps for the petit
bourgeoisie. Eliot was a primitivist as well as a sophisticate, a writer
who made guerrilla raids on the collective unconscious. For all his
intellectualism, he was averse to rationality. Meaning in his poetry is
like the mysterious figure who walks beside you in The Waste Land,
vanishing when you look at it straight. When Raine enquires of a couple
of lines in one of Eliot's poems whether we are supposed to be in a
brothel, the only answer which would be true to Eliot's own aesthetic
is that we are in a poem. "
                                                      ~ Terry Eagleton
 
 
CR


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