This apparent attempt to make the issue about involvement and/or
responsibility rather than accurate information makes no sense.  There
are plenty of sources of accurate information, and effort in making
mistakes won't mean the reader gets any.  What has it to do with change?
 I can now get Project Muse, for example, and read articles.  That is
change.  It is not some simple all change or cretinous resistance; it is
a valid source or not.  If even the creator of wikipedia says college
students should know better than to use it, why this non-sense?  It is
just a red herring and has nothing to do with the issue.

>>> Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> 05/26/07 7:47 AM >>>
Sounds good to me, but that responsible effort seems to go unrecognised
by some. Change is difficult.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Diana Manister 
  To: [log in to unmask] 
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:35 AM
  Subject: Re: Wikipedia

  As to Wikipedia, everything posted is vetted by a team of volunteers,
usually the same day. I have seen them question and/or change obscure
details in articles I've posted there on artists and writers, and was
favorably impressed. They are especially useful for listing author's
works, which either exist or do not; checking that is not difficult. But
Wikipedia provides a up-to-date point of departure.




    From:  Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]>
    Reply-To:  "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]>
    To:  [log in to unmask]
    Subject:  Re: Wikipedia (WAS:Re: TSE and Bro. George Every, SSM
Kelham, Notts., England)
    Date:  Fri, 25 May 2007 08:33:56 -0400
    The point, unfortunately, is not about speed but about the knowledge
    those who post.  They may as easily post greater mistakes as any
    improvement.  Unless one already knows, one doesn't know from what

    >>> Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> 05/25/07 4:03 AM >>>
    If one looks at print encyclopedias these days, one may have paws
    thought. They have always been, at best, places to start, but these
    days info changes so rapidly, only on-line encyc.s stand a chance of
    being really reliable, and even that can be questioned. For the on
    line addicted W. is at least a place to start, and credit even
    be given for improvements submitted to W. when further research
    to better work, verification or discrediting. Such hound work is
    attractive to the googlizers. It could motivate them.

    Bottom line, don't dismiss it out of hand as a learning opportunity.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum.
    To: [log in to unmask]
    Sent: 2007-May-24 8:52 PM
    SSubject: Wikipedia (WAS:Re: TSE and Bro. George Every, SSM Kelham,
    Notts., England)

    I thought this might be useful regarding Wikipedia's accuracy:

    It's a fairly good "gateway" to information, but it's not
    reliable. If the founder himself says any student who relies on
    deserves an "F", well...

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Nancy Gish" <[log in to unmask]>
    To: <[log in to unmask]>
    Sent: Weddnesday, May 23, 2007 10:21 AM
    Subject: Re: TSE and Bro. George Every, SSM Kelham, Notts., England

    >I think it useful to note that wikipedia is not reliable.  It is
    > anyone to post anything.  They can't even get Hugh MacDiarmid's
    > right, so I would not count on the information there.
    > Cheers,
    > Nancy
    >>>> David   Boyd <[log in to unmask]> 05/23/07 12:32 PM >>>
    > In a message dated 23/05/2007 16:19:46 GMT Daylight Time,
    > [log in to unmask] writes:
    > David Boyd <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
    > If anyone has any information at all about TSE's contacts with the
    > Anglican
    > monk, teacher, theologian and historian Bro. George Every of the
    > Society of
    > the Sacred Mission, Kelham, where TSE often spent spiritual 
    > I'd be
    > most grateful to hear from them.
    > Every 'jumped-ship' to the Roman Catholic faith in 1972 and spent
    > last
    > 31 years of his life at Oscott Seminary in Birmingham and his work
    > his
    > interest in Little Gidding and Ferrar is said to have inspired
    > particular
    > 'Quartet'. Although his correspondence with TSE and with many 
    > literary
    > luminaries and the like must have been immense both in volume  and
    > significance, little now seems to remain. Ackroyd mentions Kelham
    > briefly in his
    > bio. but nothing I can see relating to Every personally, who  died
    > recently as
    > 2003, aged 94.
    > Regards
    > David Boyd
    > Seascale, Cumbria UK
    > Please look up the following  links:
    > _
    > (
    > I extracted them from Google by entering "TS  Eliot and George
    > Kelham".
    > Best,
    > CR
    > Many thanks, both CR and Diana - it's was material other than the
    > culprits which emerge from Google and like I was seeking, but
    > is an
    > ubiquitous word to search-for unless modified by 'Kelham' or
    > similar.
    > Regards
    > David

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