Lugubriously interesting. Didn't see any bats with baby faces though.

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  From: Diana Manister 
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  Subject: Re: Hippopotamus and Adoration (Updated)

  Rick, thank you for the text. The following Bosch paintings may not be the exact ones for which you are searching, but they are close in imagery:


  St. Christopher Carrying the Christ Child through a Sinful World,
  Bosch, c1520




    From:  "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]>
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    Subject:  Re: Hippopotamus and Adoration (Updated)
    Date:  Sun, 24 Dec 2006 20:07:16 -0500
    David Boyd wrote:
    > HELL  [and a goodly number of earthly manifestations thereof ] comes at
    > once to mind...........

    Dear Temur,

    You asked for more Flemish influences upon Eliot.  This note for line
    380 of TWL is taken from

         According to Eliot (Poems, 1910-1930, p. 155), these details were
         inspired by a painting from the school of Hieronymus Bosch (a
         fifteenth-century Dutch artist), one called "Hell" or "The Sinful
         World" and forming a diptych with Bosch's "Deluge." In a part of the
         painting one can see a bat-like creature with dull human features
         crawling headfirst down a rock wall. See Charles de Tolnay, Hieronymus
         Bosch (Basel: Holbein, 1937), plate 25. Bosch's horrific late Gothic
         style shows, with extraordinary vividness, allegories of Hell, the
         fallen world of vice, and wasting self-slaughter.

    This is really a lifting of what Grover Smith wrote first in his
    "T.S. Eliot's Poetry and Plays: A Study in Sources and Meanings",
    pp. 94-5.  Smith noted "Poèmes 1910-1930", p. 155 and also noted the
    same place to go to see the painting.

    I've tried to find a copy of the painting on the web but gave up.  It
    is an altarpiece in Rotterdam and is actually likely a triptych with a
    missing center panel.

         Rick Parker

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