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Edge,
Whistle pigs are Marmots...
When we lived in western Colorado, people commonly refer to marmots as 
whistle pigs.  And here in the Ozarks, I hear it for our own Marmota sp. 
pretty often.
(Reminds me of my favorite mammal nick name, the Flickertail, of North & 
South Dakota!)

Linda Frederick
Rolla, MO

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From: "Edge" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: are they really goshawks?


> O.k., Mike, I'll bite.  What is a whistle pig?
>
> The only N. Goshawk I've seen in MO was first sitting atop the privy  at 
> Eagle Bluffs CA, Boone Co.  The tail pattern and the size were  clinchers. 
> I watched it take off and begin circling for a thermal.   I got other 
> birders there, but the bird was fast going up, up and away.
>
> The most exciting view I've had of one was from a moving van in  Colorado 
> (Mike Flieg's Lek a day trip).  That was the fastest I've  ever seen two 
> full vans emptied out!  Everyone got a decent look.
>
> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
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>
> On Oct 11, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Mike Brady wrote:
>
>> Am always really amazed at the number of  goshawk sightings that  seem to 
>> take
>> place in MO every fall and  winter.Always wonder about many of  them.Im 
>> not
>> saying these birds dont show up  here,I know several very credible 
>> birders who
>> have seen them here and dont  doubt their observations one bit but  have 
>> to say
>> many MO goshawk  sightings could be and probably are something
>> else,ecspecially when it  comes to juvenile birds
>>
>>   Having  lived and worked for long  time in an area with some of  the 
>> highest
>> pop numbers of goshawks  and best gos habitat in North America  (White 
>> River
>> Natl Forest  region along the central western slope of Colorado) I  can 
>> say
>> that at best these birds  were rare.Even under ideal conditions in 
>> ideal habitat
>> I always considered myself VERY lucky to see one.This is  coming  from 
>> someone
>> who was out almost everyday of the year in primo gos  habitat( it  was a 
>> heck
>> of alot easier finding boreal and n-pygmy owls,other  pretty scarce mt
>> birds,than it was seeing a  goshawk)
>>
>>   Think many Missouri goshawk sightings are miss  id'd cooper hawks  or 
>> some
>> other hawk such as a young red-shoulder,etc.Can  say from my  experience 
>> here
>> that every "goshawk" I have found out about and gone  to look for  has 
>> turned out
>> to be something else..Its an easy miss ID'd  bird
>>   The birds that show in in MO are more than likely from Canadian or
>> northern border state pops so have to wonder if there is any news  of a 
>> "food crash"
>> up there.They are an  irruptive species but even these  cycles are
>> uncommon.Think its very roughly 10-15 year cycles.Not nearly as   common 
>> as say snowy
>> owls(In Colorado goshawk irruptions were  elevational)
>>   Although goshawks are accipters they tend to take prey much  bigger 
>> than a
>> coopers or sharpie.In Colorado their prey of choice seemed to be 
>> snowshoe
>> hares,pineys(red squirrels),ermines and even birds as big as  adult  blue 
>> grouse
>> and whistle pigs.Goshawks are big birds.More buteo like than  accipter 
>> like
>> and birds of  very large tracs of continous forest
>>  Anyway can say I will be very stoked the day I see a genuine n- 
>> goshawk in
>> Missouri
>> -Mike Brady
>>
>>
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