----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cr mittal 
  To: [log in to unmask] 
  Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Eliot and Unitarianism


    A work of art is always open to different
    interpretations. One gets from it what one brings
    to it. Someone will find in it a reflection of this or
    that tendency in the author, another a vision 
    different from one found elsewhere in another

    To me, for instance, the phrase "Christ the tiger"
    holds a lasting appeal as the Godhead in us who
    puts on the destructive aspect of a "tiger" (cf.
    William Blake's "Tiger") and destroys the evil
    in us -- from time to time -- as the Hindu Lord
    Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita. Incidentally,
    one of the twelve incarnations of the Supreme
    Reality in Hindu mythology is that of Narsimha
    (half-man, half lion).

    One is welcome to study an author's personal
    proclivities no end if one wants to. To me Eliot's
    permanent appeal lies in the images in his work
    that transcend the limited circumstances of their 
    creation -- it's a transfiguration, as I had had
    occasion to remark, from facts to artefacts.


    Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
      Regarding Eliot's deviseness, I would go a step further and speculate that// he seems to have been deeply committed to it, in the sense of seeing man and God as divided from each other. // There is some evidence, as cited in Kearns' book T.S. Eliot and Indic Traditions, that // Eliot identified more with the dualistic Christian worship of an external God than the Vedantic recognition of the identity of the deep self with Brahman. // 

      //Kearns// sees "Gerontion" as a playing of one vision off against the other. //He// also interprets The Fire Sermon as an expression of conflict or tension between the two paths or religious perspectives.

      It was discussed previously on this list //what Eliot meant when he said// that to embrace the Indic or Hindu path would have required him to give up something of himself that he was unwilling to abandon -- perhaps it was this very split of God/self. //Paul Elmer More, author of The Philosophy of the Upanishads, whose view Eliot said was close to his own, wrote// Catholic Faith:
      "The error of the Christian who would rise above Christianity is in thinking that he can amalgamate the command, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy god," with the ruthless law of the absolute, "Brahmasmi, I am Brahma". 

      The phrase "Thou Art That" which was also discussed here at length, is an expression of the oneness of god and devotee, //an identification foreign to Christianity. //

      //Kearns said //that the conflict between the two paths, dualistic and non-dualistic, "had the potential, at least, of sending Eliot's mind...'beyond the cirucuit of the shuddering Bear/in fractured atoms."  //So it was perhaps to keep his Western mind intact that he made a commitment to Christian dualism, the division of god and man, whereas Vedantism offered the option of oneness. // Diana


        From:  Vishvesh Obla <[log in to unmask]>
        Reply-To:  "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]>
        To:  [log in to unmask]
        Subject:  Re: Eliot and Unitarianism
        Date:  Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:39:10 -0700

        I find the statement made by Diana true to a large
        extent as far his prose works are concerned.  In
        poetry, I believe we see the 'artist' and in prose we
        see a different person (How true is Lawrence's
        statement 'Never trust the artist; trust the tale' !).

        --- cr mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

        > I'm sorry but your remark, "Eliot, though an
        > imaginative genius,
        >   had his own divisive vision. Alas." is rather
        > off-the-cuff, Diana.
        >   There should be no confusion on this count if one
        > reads
        >   Lyndon Gordon's "Eliot's Early Years". I got my
        > basic
        >   clarity on the subject from it.
        >   Regards.
        >   ~ CR
        > Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
        >         CR wrote:  The human mind is so divisive;
        > only Imagination harmonizes, synthesizes, and
        > unites/fuses into one.
        >      CR: Yes, I agree. The world is terribly
        > deficient in imagining oneness. Monotheisms
        > proliferate, with dire effects. Reason and/or
        > spirituality never hold their own against our
        > species' violent territoriality.( I wonder how
        > unitary Unitarianism really is?) Eliot, though an
        > imaginative genius, had his own divisive vision.
        > Alas. Diana
        > ---------------------------------
        > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new  Check
        > it out.

        Do You Yahoo!?
        Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around

  Do You Yahoo!?
  Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 


  No virus found in this incoming message.
  Checked by AVG Free Edition.
  Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006