Eeldrop and Appleplex.
P.
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From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Diana Manister
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Subject: Re: Identity of the speaker in 'Preludes'

A subject who performs the "observations" is implied. Who is doing the observing? I find that as much as a challenge to answer as what phenomenology is being represented. Diana


From:  Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:  "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject:  Re: Identity of the speaker in 'Preludes'
Date:  Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:49:16 -0700
Of course the observations has more than one meaning.
It can be used to mean opinions or interpretations, but
Eliot was so precise, it is hard to think, esp. with evidence
like Eeldrop and Applplex, that the meaning of observation as
perception is not meant. On the other jhand it is broad enough
to include ALL the senses, not just sight with which it is usually
but not necessarily associated:

from the Latin:
ob- = before or against
servare = to keep

So one KEEPS one's senses focused ON the objects.

Cheers,
Peter
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From: "Dunja Seselja" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Identity of the speaker in 'Preludes'


> --- Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I mean that it is indicator of how the poems can be
> > read.
> > P.
>
> That's a good point. Observations imply that there is
> an observer and "observables". Subject-object
> problematics is, therefore, announced already in the
> title of the volume.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Dunja
>
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