----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Diana ManisterSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:14 AMSubject: Re: causality
The particle-wave example illuminates quantum physics' new phenomenology: the observed cannot be separated from the observer. Subjectivity in this case determines the object. The self/other split is Cartesian.
In Einsteinian physics, the phenomenon of time is subjective. At the speed of light, there is no time -- consciousness travelling at that rate would be timeless. In a timeless state, considerations of cause and effect do not obtain, since chronology is a function of time. Diana
From: Dunja Seselja <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:08:48 -0700
--- Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> E=MC(2) refocussed the idea of causality
> in terms of the building blocks out of which things
> are made.
> Matter as both particle and wave.
But why would this imply (or presuppose) a different
sort of causality? There is a cause, there's an
effect. I don't see any "final purpose" present in
As for the particle/wave problem - how do you relate
that to the problem of causality at all? Besides,
contemporary interpretations of quantum physics still
have a lot of trouble trying to connect this theory
with relativist physics, so I don't understand what
you meant when you said that sentence... :-/
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