We agree.
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From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Diana Manister
To: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: causality

The particle-wave example illuminates quantum physics' new phenomenology: the observed cannot be separated from the observer. Subjectivity in this case determines the object. The self/other split is Cartesian.

In Einsteinian physics, the phenomenon of time is subjective. At the speed of light, there is no time -- consciousness travelling at that rate would be timeless. In a timeless state, considerations of cause and effect do not obtain, since chronology is a function of time.  Diana

From:  Dunja Seselja <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:  "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]>
To:  [log in to unmask]
Subject:  causality
Date:  Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:08:48 -0700
--- Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> E=MC(2)  refocussed the idea of causality
> in terms of the building blocks out of which things
> are made.
> Matter as both particle and wave.
> P.

But why would this imply (or presuppose) a different
sort of causality? There is a cause, there's an
effect. I don't see any "final purpose" present in
Einstein's theory...
As for the particle/wave problem - how do you relate
that to the problem of causality at all? Besides,
contemporary interpretations of quantum physics still
have a lot of trouble trying to connect this theory
with relativist physics, so I don't understand what
you meant when you said that sentence... :-/



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