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'the being suffering from maya, those fancies that the
ego spins, that Indic religions identify as the cause
of all suffering? Diana'

Diana,

Just FYI.

The principle of Maya forms only one of the aspects of
Indian spiritual philosophy.  It culminated in
Vedanta, whereas there are various other principles
that form the core of Hindu Religion.  


--- Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


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Marcin wrote:

Those "worlds", with their pretensions to exclusivity,
in the context of mystical experience of the ONE
("infinitely gentle"), 
may seem, I imagine, somewhat amusing.

Marcin, consider that perhaps the "infinitely gentle,
infinitely suffering thing" is the being suffering
from maya, those fancies that the ego spins, that
Indic religions identify as the cause of all
suffering? Diana



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From: marcin ostrouch <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To: "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum."
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Subject: Re: "That Thou Art" and Preludes
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:14:26 +0200

Dear Dunja,

You  wrote:

You mention "multitude f solipsisms", which isone of
the points important for the Cartesianphilosophical
standpoint, but on the other hand, inyour previous
posts you spoke of an anti-Cartesianapproach presented
in this poem.How do you connect these two?  
What I meant, and what hopefully I partly explain in
my reply to CR,  
is that  the  speaker in Preludes seems to be
attempting a resolution of 
apparent dichotomies. 

Subject - object dichotomy of the Cartesian approach
is presented in the poem, 
I think, as both inalienable and alienating... 

The speaker's awareness of "multitude of solipsisms",
and of his/her own partaking 
in such an epistemic situation, is a step towards the
sense of alienation endemic in this very situation.
While there is no way out of it, the speaker comes to
understanding that all the worlds constructed by 
solipsistic ego-subjects are merely "points of view"
"revolving like ancient women / Gathering fuel in
vacant lots."

Those "worlds", with their pretensions to exclusivity,
in the context of mystical experience of the ONE
("infinitely gentle"), 
may seem, I imagine, somewhat amusing.

Would you agree?

Marcin








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