>>Diana : More refers to "that viviid consciousness of
>>a dualism felt in the daily habit of humanity."
Diana, when the Vedas and the Upanishads speak of
"That art thou", they speak of the "ultimate reality of
a human being", i.e. his/her true essence, which
he/she should try to realize. That remains an object of
aspiration, as much as in Eliot's poetry, say
in Four Quartets. In "the daily habit of humanity",
man is as much divided from God in the Vedic
philosophy as in any other.

Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Carrol I was not attempting to present a thesis on Christianity via the TSE list. I cited the book T.S. Eliot and the Indic Traditions which outlines differences between Christianity and the religion of the Upanishads. Kearns quotes portions of Eliot's own writing on the subject and texts by Paul Elmer More whose view of religion Eliot said he supported which state clearly that a Christian cannot "amalgamate" the command Thou Shalt Love Thy Lord thy God with the Indic belief I am Brahma. More refers to "that viviid consciousness of a dualism felt in the daily habit of humanity." Religion for Eliot, Kearns says, "was the acceptance of this cleavage in our nature."
For further explication of Eliot's view of exoteric and esoteric religious perspectives, see Kearns, chapter 2, "Hindu Traditions."  Best, Diana

From:  Carrol Cox <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject:  English Vocabulary, was Re: Eliot and Divisions
Date:  Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:03:05 -0500
Diana Manister wrote:
> Dear Carroll: Surely you are aware of the many commentaries on Eliot's
> work that interpret his narrators as expressing not only their divided
> selves, but severings and fragmentations in the environment?

But nowhere does any commentary suggest that the purpose of the poems is
to create enmity between God and humanity. As closely related as the
words "division" and "devisive" are, you simply cannot use the latter
word as you are using it and expect people to know what the hell you are
talking about. Try using the term "fragmentation" instead, and not by
itself but, for example, "fragmented experience," "fragmented responses
to experience," etc.


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