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Peter
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From: "robert meyer" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: Some Eliot family religious info


> > From: Peter Montgomery
> >
> >2. All the Anglicans in my family have, since I can remember,
> >celebrated Christmas and Easter at the same time as the
> >Catholics. I believe only what are called the Oriental Churches,
> >ie. The Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Churches follow the
> >Julian Calendar, and so celebrate Christmas and Easter two
> >weeks (I think) later.
> >
>
> When I was talking about the Anglican dates of Easter, when I was talking
> to Jonathan in 1998 it seemed like his (Anglican) Ash Wed was a couple of
> weeks after my (Lutheran) Ash Wed (therefore, different dates for Easter
in
> that year).  I attended an Orthodox service that Lent so I knew that their
> Easter was a few weeks after, so I thought they were connected.  Now it
> seems like he was using the Gregorian-Catholic date and I was using the
> Julian-Catholic date (see below, near the bottom right of the table).
> >
> >http://5ko.free.fr/en/easter.php?y=20
> >
>
> It looks like there could be 4 dates for Easter!  Here's some other links
> that could be useful.
>
> http://www.smart.net/~mmontes/ec-cal.html
> http://www.albion.edu/english/calendar/easter.htm
> http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/114/42.0.html
> http://geography.about.com/library/misc/uceaster.htm
> http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/qt/whyeasterchange.htm
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus
>
> > From: Peter Montgomery
> >
> >3. The Catholic Church's version of the Bible has a few more
> >books (and parts of books) in it than does the King James and
> >most other Protestant Bibles. The Catholic Church recognises
> >a version of the Hebrew Scripture (aka Old Testament) called
> >the Septuagint (Greek), which was widely used in the early
> >Church, but for the books in question no original Hebrew
> >version is extant, only the Greek. Protestant versions generally
> >include the extra books but list them as apocryphal. The
> >Catholics also have a set of apocryphal books, not
> >usually included in the printed version. Protestants call those
> >books pseud-epigrapha (falsely written?).
> >
>
> Yeah, using the same word ("apocrypha") for entirely different sets of
> books is a mess.  The set that Catholics include in the OT and Protestants
> call the Apocrypha [note the capital "A"] are:
>
> >1 Esdras (or 3 Ezra)
> >2 Esdras (or 4 Ezra)
> >Tobit
> >Judith                        [...similar to the story of Jael in Judges
> 4...]
> >Wisdom of Solomon [...chapt 2 seems to predict the Crucifixion]
> >Sirach
> >Baruch
> >Epistle of Jeremiah
> >Prayer of Manasseh
> >Esther (additions)
> >Susanna                  (addition to Daniel)
> >Bel and the Dragon (addition to Daniel)
> >1 Maccabees
> >2 Maccabees
>
> (you can read them on-line at web-site:
>  http://etext.virginia.edu/rsv.browse.html )
>
> ******************************
>
> The set that Catholics call apocryphal and Protestants call
> pseud-epigraphal ("falsely ascribed to") is huge and getting bigger all
the
> time (as more documents are discovered, like at Nag Hammadi).  Stuff like:
>
> >On the Origin of the World
> >The Book of Enoch [...the one quoted in Jude's epistle in the NT]
> >The Secrets of Enoch [...different book entirely]
> >The Testaments of the 12 Patriarchs [...the sons of Jacob]
> >Apocalypse of Moses
> >Psalms of Solomon
> >Odes of Solomon
> >The War of the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness
> >Protoevangelium of James [...from Mary's birth to Jesus' birth]
> >Gospel of Nicodemus
> >Gospel of Bartholomew
> >Gospel of Philip
> >[Infancy] Gospel of Thomas
> >["Secret Sayings"] Gospel of Thomas
> >Acts of Thomas
> >Gospel of Peter
> >Acts of Peter
> >Apocalypse of Peter
> >Acts of Peter and Paul
> >Acts of Paul and Thecla
> >Paul's Epistle to the Laodiceans
> >Apocalypse of Paul
>
> and on and on.  You might be interested in looking at these sites.  The
> "New Advent" site is Catholic, but has some of the documents (that are not
> on the other sites) but you have to scroll down to the near the end for
> apocryphal (=pseud-epigraphal) books.
>
>
> http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/
> http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/naghamm/nhl.html
> http://www.gnosis.org/welcome.html
> http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/intro.html
>
>
> Robert Meyer
>
>
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