Dear Dunja:

In Bohm's vision of quantum interconnectedness, all the separate entities and events in the explicate world around us derive from a deeper, implicate order of unbroken wholeness. Bohm gives the analogy of a flowing stream:

On this stream, one may see an ever-changing pattern of vortices, ripples, waves, splashes, etc., which evidently have no independent existence as such. Rather, they are abstracted from the flowing movement, arising and vanishing in the total process of the flow. Such transitory subsistence as may be possessed by these abstracted forms implies only a relative independence or autonomy of behaviour, rather than absolutely independent existence as ultimate substances.


(David Bohm, Wholeness and the Implicate Order, Routledge & Kegan Paul, London, Boston, 1980, p. 48.)
In Bohm's view everything is part of "Undivided Wholeness in Flowing Movement." (Ibid., p. 11.)

Would this not suggest that subject and object are undivided in the implicate order?

Diana

From:  Dunja Seselja [log in to unmask]
--- Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

The very phenomenon of wave includes the observer, as
does the phenomenon of particle, since which
phenomenon is perceived is dependent on the
observation itself. The old Cartesian model does not
obtain. The other cannot be separated from the self in
this scenario.

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Diana,

This all again depends on the interpretation of QM we
take as the relevant one. Take, for example, the
Bohmian interpretation: according to it, there are
ALWAYS (at the bottom of ontology, in other words)
particles as well as the wave function, which "guides"
the particles on their trajectories. The whole
discussion is, once again, completely theory (i.e.
interpretation) dependent.

Cheers!

Dunja

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