I see your point, Dunja. One needs to look at the recurrent phenomenon of human violence and destruction in the light of "the dialectic of time and consciousness". In the ultimate analysis, the answers to the questions raised by the Usk Castle are to be found here alone. Thanks. ~ CR Dunja Seselja <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Very well said. //And that's the point where the whole trouble begins - dialectic of time and consciousness.// What do you think, why is the poem called "the love song of j. a. prufrock"? what sort of love is that? and does it at all matter...? Dunja --- Peter Montgomery wrote: > It's shows time becoming an art form, > contained by a frame of consciousness. > It is ABOUT that consciousness. > > P. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dunja Seselja" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: OT: USk Castle > > > There will be time, there will be time > ... > And indeed there will be time > To wonder, "Do I dare?" and, "Do I dare?" > Time to turn back and descend the stair, > With a bald spot in the middle of my hair > ... > Do I dare > Disturb the universe? > In a minute there is time > For decisions and revisions which a minute will > reverse. > ... > For I have known them all already, known them all:-- > Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons, > I have measured out my life with coffee spoons; > ... > And the afternoon, the evening, sleeps so > peacefully! > Smoothed by long fingers, > Asleep . . . tired . . . or it malingers, > Stretched on the floor, here beside you and me. > ... > > and so on (maybe i didn't to just to the poem by > cutting it in pieces) - isn't this poem so much > about > time and and its (metaphysical) weight? about being > so > powerless in front of its overwhelming question, its > untouchable being, which is nonetheless familiar, > even > too familiar, but which is impossible to capture in > words, as this is not it at all...? > > > --- cr mittal wrote: > > > Usk : of past, present and future > > > > I shall say it again. Shall I say it again? > > > > Mesmerizing remnants of history -- > > reminiscent of a whole past > > the likeness of which shall never return, > > except in humankind's capacity to destroy > > and its monumental facades of defense. > > Shall we prevail against time? > > Against barbarism? Against destruction? > > Shall civilization endure? > > Disturbing questions. > > > > > > Time present and time past > > Are both perhaps present in time future, > > And time future contained in time past. > > > > ~ CR > > > > > > cr mittal wrote: > > Mesmerizing remnants of history -- > reminiscent > > of a whole past the likeness of which shall never > > return, except in humankind's capacity to destroy > > and its monumental facades of defense. Shall we > > prevail against time? Against barbarism? Against > > destruction? Shall civilization endure? Disturbing > > questions. > > > > ~ CR > > > > > > Callaheidi Fireman > > wrote: > > http://www.castlewales.com/usk.html > > > > Have a look at these gorgeous photos, > > CallaHeidi > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Blab-away for as little as 1ï¿½/min. Make > PC-to-Phone > > Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - > Release Date: 4/25/2006 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.