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There maybe a dialectic for Prufrock, or even an endless loop,
but for the reader time is made static, and consciousness is the actor.
Prufrock = touch stone.
The character is a touchstone whereby the reader can assess his or her own
awareness, by how he or she reacts to the poem, which means it
is useless to speculate about what love means. It means what it means to the
reader.

What Zeus said to Narcissus: Watch yourself.

P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dunja Seselja" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: OT: USk Castle


Very well said. And that's the point where the whole
trouble begins - dialectic of time and consciousness.

What do you think, why is the poem called "the love
song of j. a. prufrock"? what sort of love is that?
and does  it at all matter...?

Dunja

--- Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It's shows time becoming an art form,
> contained by a frame of consciousness.
> It is ABOUT that consciousness.
>
> P.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dunja Seselja" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: USk Castle
>
>
> There will be time, there will be time
> ...
> And indeed there will be time
> To wonder, "Do I dare?" and, "Do I dare?"
> Time to turn back and descend the stair,
> With a bald spot in the middle of my hair
> ...
> Do I dare
> Disturb the universe?
> In a minute there is time
> For decisions and revisions which a minute will
> reverse.
> ...
> For I have known them all already, known them all:--
> Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons,
> I have measured out my life with coffee spoons;
> ...
> And the afternoon, the evening, sleeps so
> peacefully!
> Smoothed by long fingers,
> Asleep . . . tired . . . or it malingers,
> Stretched on the floor, here beside you and me.
> ...
>
> and so on (maybe i didn't to just to the poem by
> cutting it in pieces) - isn't this poem so much
> about
> time and and its (metaphysical) weight? about being
> so
> powerless in front of its overwhelming question, its
> untouchable being, which is nonetheless familiar,
> even
> too familiar, but which is impossible to capture in
> words, as this is not it at all...?
>
>
> --- cr mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Usk : of past, present and future
> >
> >   I shall say it again. Shall I say it again?
> >
> >     Mesmerizing remnants of history  --
> >   reminiscent of a whole past
> >   the likeness of which shall never return,
> >   except in humankind's capacity to destroy
> >   and its monumental facades of defense.
> >   Shall we prevail against time?
> >   Against barbarism?  Against destruction?
> >   Shall civilization endure?
> >   Disturbing questions.
> >
> >
> >   Time present and time past
> > Are both perhaps present in time future,
> > And time future contained in time past.
> >
> >   ~ CR
> >
> >
> > cr mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >     Mesmerizing remnants of history  --
> reminiscent
> > of a whole past the likeness of which shall never
> > return, except in humankind's capacity to destroy
> > and its monumental facades of defense. Shall we
> > prevail against time? Against barbarism?  Against
> > destruction? Shall civilization endure? Disturbing
> > questions.
> >
> >   ~ CR
> >
> >
> > Callaheidi Fireman
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > http://www.castlewales.com/usk.html
> >
> >   Have a look at these gorgeous photos,
> >   CallaHeidi
> >
> >
> >
> >
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