OK,  agree that classifying all rap/any genre as bad
is wrong, but that is more or less exactly what that
article was doing in reverse, and as I was suffering
from a slight lack of sleep at the time, it irritated
me more than it usually would.

I do like The Streets actually.  I don't think anyone
would call them exactly rap tho.  The main dude from
it, Mike Skinner (I think), if its the same band, is
taking part in a an ad campaign for some sports brand.
 On the posters it has a quote from him saying
something like...

"I've never quite felt like part of any scene, so I
created my own...its much better to be yourself than a
poor copy of someone else"

Which I think is pretty cool. 

Someone else said something about serious people
talking seriously about rap...lets forget the word rap
and just think 'example X of popular culture'.  Often
when I read serious articles about example X, it seems
as if the person writing it has no idea of what X
actually is, and is writing it in order to sound cool
and multi-cultural. This always makes me think of that
great quote by Mr. Z. Beeblebrox, which goes something
like this,

"These guys are so unhip it's a wonder that their bums
don't fall off"


--- George Carless <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Nancy wrote:
> > As for rap, I frankly cannot stand it, and I
> cannot offer an example of
> > it that IS in my "poetry" category, but I do not
> think the form in
> > itself precludes poetry.  One could see it as a
> contemporary extension
> > of ballads or oral formulaic recitations.
> I'm quite glad to see people generally avoiding the
> "rap is awful and
> cannot be considered poetry" stance.  There is no
> doubt that there is a
> lot that is awful in rap/hip-hop, but as soon as we
> call the likes of
> Dylan, or Cohen, poets--such people who write words
> which are set to
> music--then we cannot fairly dismiss all "rap" as
> unpoetic.  If we do
> so, what we're saying is that there is something
> intrinsic in rap music
> that means it cannot be considered poetry. 
> I imagine that most people who do rail against rap
> music have heard very 
> little of it, and very little that is good; but for
> those people to say 
> "rap music is terrible and cannot be considered
> poetry" is akin to 
> saying that poetry is all terrible, on the strength
> of having read a 
> selection of high school poetry. (As an aside: 
> is a lot of fun,
> for kicks.)
> I'm not a big hip hop fan either, generally; I'm not
> a big fan of the 
> music, and most of the words I've heard haven't been
> all that brilliant.  
> But if you do get the chance to see a certain Sage
> Francis perform, I 
> highly recommend it; or if you would like to
> experience a peculiarly 
> compelling slice of the utterly mundane, try 'The
> Streets' (who will 
> very quickly challenge your perceptions of what
> "rap" is).  
> Strip it of the music and of the scary black people,
> and which is the 
> more poetic?:
> "I played connect the dots with your beauty marks
> And I ended up with picture perfect sheet music
> I read your musical notes with a composer's eyes
> And heard our song for the first time.
> My spine is still tingling, mental images of your
> fine tune
> is what I've been nodding my head to lately
> Every now and then you can catch me humming
> your nudity under my heavy breath"
> ..
> "Come writers and critics
> Who prophesize with your pen
> And keep your eyes wide
> The chance won't come again
> And don't speak too soon
> For the wheel's still in spin
> And there's no tellin' who
> That it's namin'.
> For the loser now
> Will be later to win
> For the times they are a-changin'"
> - heck, at the end of the day most lyrics don't make
> for very good 
> poems.  But to suggest that the line can be drawn by
> something so neat 
> as a genre just seems a little silly.
> --George

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