Vis-a-vis some reactions to this posting, I wish to submit that it was only intended to highlight the romantic aspect of Eliot's poetry. And personal pain is essentially a romantic strain. In doing so I was only toeing Peter Ackroyd who remarked that the impersonality imposed by art on Eliot's personal feelings did not detract either from the genuineness of his pain, or of the loneliness which it imposed upon him. ('T.S. Eliot: A Life', New York: Simon and Schuster, 1984, p. 306). I hope I am here at "T.S. Eliot Discussion Forum". ~ CR cr mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote: "sovegna vos a temps de ma dolor" (be mindful in due time of my pain) A classicist only in tendency and, admittedly, a romantic at heart, TSE wanted us to remember his pain. Albeit by inference. You will pardon me if I feel prompted to commemorate it. "By the waters of Leman I sat down and wept . . Sweet Thames, run softly till I end my song, Sweet Thames, run softly, for I speak not loud or long." "The new years walk, restoring Through a bright cloud of tears, the years, restoring With a new verse the ancient rhyme." "Footfalls echo in the memory Down the passage which we did not take Towards the door we never opened Into the rose-garden." "She turned away, but with the autumn weather Compelled my imagination many days... Sometimes these cogitations still amaze The troubled midnight and the noon's repose." "The notion of some infinitely gentle Infinitely suffering thing." Regards. CR Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote: And some on the list would think, no doubt, he should be re-possessed. I have been reminded of a dream I had when I was doing my graduate work on Eliot (keeping in mind that I seldom have memorable dreams). I met him in some sort of billiard parlour. I asked him how he was doing, and he replied that he was in great pain. I'm sure that will give joy to those who think he deserves it based on what evidence they think they have as to how he behaved. Reminds me of the Salem witch trials (cf the Crucible). New England puritanism rides again. I prefer to think I was inflicting pain on him myself by what I was doing with my work. All very Dantesque. P. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam pr! otection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.