Well, I do care and do not allow students to use them incorrectly.  I
think any word or form that makes a difference in meaning needs to be
retained.  That is not the same is changing vocabulary or style.

>>> [log in to unmask] 09/08/05 12:04 PM >>>
Re: Echoes of EliotTo quote from "Brideshead" again: "You were quite

I would say/write "whom" rather than "who", but no one cares anymore
even in a "literary" forum such as this one.

For the same reason it took the assorted listers several days recently
to discern the difference between "printer's" and "printers' " [as in
marks (rather than MARX)].

Jacek Niecko
Washington DC

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Loucks, James 
  To: [log in to unmask] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:36 AM
  Subject: {{very OT}}RE: Echoes of Eliot

  To show I can be as OT as you please: I will rise to the bait -- the
Ryders mentioned by (who?) are in Brideshead Revisited, sans doute.  

  BTW, I find it interesting that Ishiguro names his artist
(pianist)-protagonist (in his masterpiece, The Unconsoled) "Mr.
Ryder."--  Jim

  From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. on behalf of Gunnar Jauch
  Sent: Wed 07-Sep-05 7:20 PM
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Subject: Re: Echoes of Eliot

  am 07.09.2005 16:37 Uhr schrieb Nancy Gish unter [log in to unmask]:

  > Dear Gunnar and Jacek,
  > You are right about the nonsense, but you are on the list.  Please
  > engage in starting conversation on something about Eliot that is
  > interesting and not simply reiterating old ideas or making
  > remarks.  It is not enough to get on and note that others have
  > provide some sense please.
  > Cheers,
  > Nancy
  >>>> [log in to unmask] 09/07/05 9:57 AM >>>
  > Bravissimo, Gunnar Jauch!
  > The words that come to mind almost every time one clicks on the the
  > "forum" messages these days come from Edward Ryder, Charles
  > father:
  > "There is no news, of course.  Such a lot of nonsense."
  > Jacek Niecko
  > Washington DC
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Gunnar Jauch" <[log in to unmask]>
  > To: <[log in to unmask]>
  > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:42 AM
  > Subject: Re: Echoes of Eliot
  >> am 7.9.05 11:45 Uhr schrieb Peter Montgomery unter
  > [log in to unmask]: 
  >>> The
  >>> future is not what it used to be, and it is now possible to
  >>> the past in many scientific senses.
  >> Bla bla bla.
  >> G

  Thanks, my dear Nancy,

  for your patronizing and matronly call to order ;-).

  But isn't it amazing that nobody else has taken offense from such
  unloading?  Isn't this supposed to be a list concerned with SPEECH,
  purify the language of the tribe, as it were?

  Can't you see that at times it is futile to "provide some sense" or
  personal remarks" ("bla bla" hardly qualify as such), let alone to
  one's top over every goddamned pompous pseudo academic chattering

  Wow -- now I feel better.