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Thanks Rick.
Glad to know the "roots" work for you,
even if they never have for me.

I suppose the name of the canal seemed very ironic to Eliot.

Cheers,
Peter

Rickard A. Parker wrote:

>Ken Armstrong wrote:
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>>Oh good, I'm glad to see it written so. While Peter-Jim-Rickard may
>>set [sic] back on their elbow and say (and I hope that they do, for
>>the sake of discussion) that that is not what I meant, not what I
>>meant at all & etc.,
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>Exactly, but not the way I think you think.  In personal
>correspondence I reponded to an inquiry by Peter of Henry, the
>brother, being the King, the brother.  I was a bit dubious myself but
>said it was certainly plausible.  I've been thinking about it and it
>keeps getting more of a hold on me.
>
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>Ken Armstrong wrote:
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>>Anyhow, if it can be said that a poem is coming from something and
>>going toward something else (and of course I think so, while I can
>>imagine someone else may wish to deny it), much of Eliot commentary
>>centers on the former and if it recognizes the latter subordinates the
>>latter to the former. It should be the other way around, and it is in
>>the gap of this disagreement, I think, that we get hung up on a poem's
>>integrity on one hand and its roots on another. For my money, roots
>>are good, but what is the whole thing growing toward?
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>
>The poem is so fragmented that it made no sense at all to me until I
>found its roots.  That is integrating the parts into a whole for me.
>
>
>Peter Montgomery wrote:
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>>Question [not important]: Are fathers and oldest brothers regents, ie
>>persons of legal responsibility over the behaviour of syblings not
>>having reached their majority?
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>No, I don't think so in the general case but Eliot was exceptional.
>Remember the financial help TSE was getting from HWE, Sr.?  The
>father, the king, had a lot of power over the son there.  When HWE
>died, inheritances were given to the widow and the children.  Henry
>Jr.  was the trustee for a sister who was deemed mentally incompetent.
>He was also the trustee for TSE's share as the father figured that TSE
>had ruined his life.  So there you had the elder brother with the
>power as regent/king (and a damn powerful putdown by Dad.)
>
>Lawrence Rainey has shown that Part III of TWL was written in the
>summer of 1921 when Henry (along with his mother and a sister) was in
>London visting TSE.  Since the ladies stayed at Tom and Viv's, they,
>in turn, stayed at a flat that Lucy Thayer rented (she was on a
>vacation.)  Henry shared the flat too for a good portion of his visit.
>It was a humble (low) garret.
>
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>Marcia Karp wrote:
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>>Why is this canal any more or less dull than any other canal?
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>Or is it just as dull as the average canal?  ;-)
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>Marcia Karp wrote:
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>>What on earth is a "sybling"?
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>Oracle Lite or Deiphobe's Mini Me.  ;-)  ;-)
>
>Regards,
>    Rick Parker
>
>
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>


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