Without making a gender issue, Eliot was equally willing to abandon
female friendships when he felt they had run their course or outlived
their utility, as witness Mary Trevalyn.  She and Hayward apparently
shared a sense of abandonment when Eliot just walked out to marry
Valerie without even telling them--other than a note.  I think Eliot was
a very complex psychology--and much of it unpleasant as well as
pleasant, a fact he seemed aware of, as in the poem--but the
"unpleasant" was more than once at the expense of loyal friends whom he
deeply hurt.

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Yes, TSE stayed in Charlottesville, at a prof's home, for the ASG
lectures, then went back north to meet this other commitments, including
in NYC (e.g., a party for TSE in NYC attended by Marianne Moore; it
might have been at the same time as the Wilson encounter). TSE's
brother, Henry, was then a resident of Manhattan, and TSE stayed at
Henry's digs while in the Big Apple. Henry, also a writer (detective
stories) amid other endeavors, was TSE's greatest fan.
Interestingly, TSE's comments on the numbers of "free-thinking Jews" in
the UVa lectures went virtually unnoticed in the papers (including the
student paper at UVa, by the way). But his recent host at Hopkins
(Baltimore), Prof Boas, a philosopher, did take note (and umbrage) at
the remarks, saying that he could relieve TSE of at least one [Jew's]
acquaintance, namely his [Boas']. TSE never replied to this brush-off,
which was well merited. The fact that he did not points to one rather
unpleasant side of TSE's character: his willingness to abandon male
friendships when he felt they had run their course or outlived their
utility, as witness Aiken and Aldington in the 1920's, and later
Hayward. But he remained loyal to some who had turned against him, such
as W. Lewis, on whom he took due pity when the latter went blind. -- 


From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. on behalf of robert meyer
Sent: Wed 07-Sep-05 3:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Echoes of Eliot (1933/ASG)

Was that (June 1933) just after the After Strange Gods lectures?  Could
be very informative.
Robert Meyer

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	From: Loucks, James <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
	To: [log in to unmask] 
	Sent: 9/7/2005 11:16:49 AM 
	Subject: Re: Echoes of Eliot

	Hi all,  --  Just wondering if anyone has picked up a copy of
the new bio of Edmund Wilson, who had interesting things to say about
TSE, and with whom he interacted personally in 1933 (and maybe at other
times). It was EW who got TSE seriously drunk in (I think) June 1933 in
NYC, a few days before TSE sailed for England, and who felt remorseful
over it. 
	If you've seen the book, does EW's biographer have anything new
to say about TSE?  --  Jim