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Fascinating. Curious that there isn't a specific paper. Cheers, Peter Will Gray wrote: >Marcia, > Sorry for the dramatic pause. I had to go looking >for my paper & notes so I didn't state anything >spurious. I will not presume that anyone on the list >cares about an exhaustive catalog, so I'll list some >categories, with a couple specifics in each. If you'd >like more info on any of them, please ask and I'll be >happy to provide it (to the best of my ability). > >Similarities between Pope's THE RAPE OF THE LOCK and >Eliot's THE WASTE LAND: >1. Surface similarities (5 sections, notes became >famous commentary linked to its poem, mock-epic >moments, games of cards, motif of hair, nymphs, >initial warning that goes unheeded, interruption by a >dog, description of a lady's toilet - deleted in TWL, >a half rape, actions of mealtime, knights, the >one-eyed man, narratorial words to the reader, music >along the waters, epigraph as reversal, references to >time, parody of earlier works, each poem has 2 extant >"versions") >2. Similarities in theme (violated women, lust without >love, abandoned tradition, irreversible change, lack >of communication, the "Vision at the Beginning" and >"the Transformation at the End," the quest) >3. Similarities in composition (previous well-known >sources form the basis for understanding, Pope's >zeugma vs. Eliot's juxtaposition, works from an actual >incident - Fermor family for Pope and Eliot's marriage >- and speaks to larger issues, Pope's idea of "mutual >commerce" is a famous predecessor of Eliot's idea of >"tradition") > >Of course, Eliot had a lot to say about Pope, even >though he had much more to say about Dryden. Here are >some highlights: >1. C. Ricks finds debts to Pope is several poems from >INVENTIONS OF THE MARCH HARE >2. "Reflections on Vers Libre": he compliments Pope's >facility with heroic couplets >3. "Andrew Marvell": he labels Pope "the great master >of hatred" >4. Letter to JM Murray (22 April 1921): in the list of >"all the critical prose I shall ever want to do" is "A >seventeenth Century volume to Pope with a Nachblick at >Colins and Johnson." I believe, and briefly attempt to >prove that Eliot saw Pope as an exception to the 17th >century's "dissociation of sensibility," which is why >he would end this volume here. >5. Letter to R Aldington (16 Sept 1921) Part of the >above argument included a phrase from this letter: "if >English verse had not gone to pieces in the Eighteenth >Century after Pope (with reservations) and never >recovered the Seventeenth Century poets might be taken >quite naturally and without quaintness." Of course, >comparing these letters, and thoughts from "The >Metaphysical Poets," we can tell that the 18th >century's "reservations" could be Collins and Johnson. >6. Intro to SELECTED POEMS BY EZRA POUND: "The man who >cannot enjoy Pope as poetry probably understands no >poetry" (18). > >A couple of the more interesting critical links I >found: >1. Kristiaan Versluys suggests that both poems are >mock-epics (Dutch Quarterly Review of Anglo-American >Letters, 1990: 3-18). >2. Biographer TS Matthews directly compares Eliot to >Pope twice: once claiming that "Nothing quite like >Eliot's tone of voice had been known (in English, at >any rate) since Alexander Pope: a tone of smooth and >balanced paradox, dryness and intensity, gravity and >wit, compact of phrases lucid and memorable as a >slogan, dark as an unfamiliar proverb, enigmatic, >intricate, unaccountably stirring (GREAT TOM 189). >Elsewhere in his biography Matthews claims that Eliot >is "the finest poet of his kind since Alexander Pope' >(193). >3. Geoffrey Tillotson, in his introduction to THE RAPE >OF THE LOCK in EIGHTEENTH CENTURY ENGLISH LITERATURE: >"Pope...made his poem more than a course of mockery. >He enriched it with at least as many kinds of poetry >as Eliot used in THE WASTE LAND, which resembles >Pope's poem in length, comprehensiveness, >concentration, learning, brilliance, and, especially, >sensuous beauty" (567). > >As overwhelming as all of this is, these are merely >the surface connections that I found in a couple >hundred hours between the two. There's certainly >enough for a book here, in my opinion, or for several >more papers. Mine was only meant to be an >introduction, and much of the above content I was only >able to allude to. > >Best wishes, >Will > >--- Marcia Karp <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >>Will Gray wrote: >> >> >> >>>For >>>instance, I think he may have gotten the idea for >>>"notes" from Pope's five-part mock-epic "The Rape >>> >>> >>of >> >> >>>the Lock," which is similar to TWL in more than 1 >>> >>> >>way. >> >> >>Will, >> Would you say more about the similarities >>between "The Rape of the >>the Lock" and "The Waste Land"? >> >>Best, >>Marcia >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.0/103 - Release Date: 9/15/2005