Mohammed was THE prophet, but in no way had a divine dimension to him.
Allah is the centre of Islam, and only Allah. Any attempt to associate a
divine or transcedental nature with Mohammed would be blasphemy in their


-----Original Message-----
From: William Gray
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Sent: 2004-Nov-04 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: (OT) US Elections:  Allusions to 'christianity'

I don't know a lot about Islam, but that sounds like a fair call --
Mohammed would seem to be the center. Right? Is this controversial?

>>> [log in to unmask] 11/04/04 01:16PM >>>
'The center of true Christianity is Christ, not a set
of principles.'

You could also then justify at a similar conclusion
that Mohammed is the center of Islam, which is thought
to be the major problem in the present issues of Islam
by many !

--- William Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Yes, you're right, George, there is an assumption
> being made here by Christians -- that IF
> Christianity is the true accounting of reality, then
> it would best explain the origin of principles such
> as these. Contrary opinion would assert that if
> Christianity is only A belief, then why are so many
> other religious principles similar? How dare
> Christianity claim to be the origin? It's the
> difference between mere similitude and a
> cause-effect relationship. You either have to
> believe in an origin of these things, or instead
> believe that man has come up with everything
> meaningful that exists (for how could chance create
> meaning?).
> The death penalty in origin (according to the Bible)
> is a Christian thing (Genesis 9:6).
> I have no idea where the right to bear arms comes
> from -- that always seemed to me an element of early
> America that was reacting against Britain (just like
> the third amendment -- why else would this be a
> priority?). Personally, I've never given significant
> support to the right to bear arms, but hey -- it's
> in the Bill of Rights. Not really a Christian idea.
> I'm not sure that people call it a Christian
> principle, and if they do, I guess you're right to
> call them on the carpet for it.
> Homosexuality -- a well-documented no-no in the
> Bible (I Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1:26-27, among
> other passages). According to Christianity, if God
> created people as well as marriage, he gets to
> decide proper bounds for sexuality. Again, it's
> those who see Christianity as only a choice among
> many belief systems who see this as a transgression
> against freedom. I guess it all depends on how you
> define freedom. Perhaps Thomas Carlyle was right
> (freedom is being shown the right path and, if
> necessary, being made to walk in it). In almost
> every other avenue of life, it makes sense to us
> that we should look out for others to make sure they
> are operating within appropriate bounds -- for their
> good, not ours (like crisis counseling, drug rehab,
> mental institutions).
> As I explained to a fellow student at Oxford a few
> years ago, as annoying as it was to her that people
> would stop her on the street and ask if she were
> going to heaven or hell, doesn't it make sense that
> if someone truly believed you were going to hell, it
> would be a loving thing for them to let you know
> about it? In other words, there is a difference
> between one who is a true believer in Christianity
> and someone who knows about Christianity -- the
> difference is in the way they look at the world and
> at the tenets of Christianity itself. Worldviews are
> like a set of glasses. And it's the worst when a
> person thinks he's not wearing any glasses, that he
> has no worldview.
> And yes, Ken is right about Tillich. The center of
> true Christianity is Christ, not a set of
> principles.
> Best wishes,
> Will
> >>> [log in to unmask] 11/04/04 09:42AM >>>
> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 09:12:37AM -0500, William
> Gray wrote:
> > before. Perhaps you and I would differ in how we
> react to that. I find it comforting to a degree,
> since
> > this nation was founded on Christian principles --
> however, since Christians will always differ a
> little
> I take the view, and I think it's supported by the
> often rabid disagreements between different factions
> of
> Christianity, that there is no such thing as a
> "Christian principle".  What many Christians
> consider to be
> principles unique to their faith are in fact general
> humanitarian principles shared by many faiths.  And
> as
> with all such 'principles', they are *merely*
> principles and should not be taken as matters of
> dogma.  To
> say nothing of the fact that "Christian principles"
> regularly seem to have very little to do with
> anything
> that's written in the Bible except perhaps in the
> most tangential manner, and to have been
> cherrypicked
> according to people's prejudices.  So it is that we
> have a nation founded upon "Christian" values that
> has
> a death penalty and a right to bear arms but that
> gets riled up about homosexuals.
> --George

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