My fiscally conservative accountant cousin in Idaho bad-mouthed Kerry for marrying into the Heinz fortune. He didn't bother to mention that she was a republican until two years ago, married to very respectable repub- lican Senator Heinz who died of a heart attack. Perhaps there is a sense of betrayal at work. Mind you, my cousin, salt of the earth and a very loving person, carries a pistol, and threatens to shot any officer of the law he sets eyes on. An interesting culture indeed. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Gish To: [log in to unmask] Sent: 2004-Nov-03 9:49 AM Subject: Re: O.T.: US Elections: Dejected Europe I'm sorry but speaking as if there is something wrong or offensive in being "foreign" is hateful. And calling any woman "uppity" draws on centuries of misogyny and is also hateful. The language is shameful no matter who said it. I agree the Democrats have to find new ways to tap into the feelings of many in the middle of the country. Nancy >>> [log in to unmask] 11/03/04 10:17 AM >>> In a message dated 11/3/2004 9:54:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: I hope as Tom asked, that Gunnar withdraws his hateful term for Polish people, and I hope Kate will withdraw her hateful and frankly silly terms for Teresa Kerry. I wish to assure European people that we are not all shamefully jingoistic. My remarks about Teresa Kerry were not hateful and not even my perception of her, but, unfortunately, it is the perception of some of my acquaintance. My husband likes her very much and I don't have anything against her, though I think her speech at the convention was too high-toned and too long. That is great news about Maine. Also, New Hampshire this time went Democrat. There is some good news, but unfortunately, mostly bad news. Again, we lost the Presidency and we lost at least two seats in the Senate and House seats, as well. Unfortunately, New England, the West Coast states and the northern Mid-Atlantic states aren't enough, to elect a President or take control of the Senate. Democrats must make progress in other parts of the country. In my opinion, the South has gone hopelessly Republican. Therefore, the Democrats should concentrate on particularly western states and introduce candidates who fit the sensibilities of that area, candidates who are more conservative than those in New England and California, as the Republicans do when running in more liberal states, i.e., the Governor of California.