The Maps aren't very helpful on the website, BUT one can
"kinda'" get an idea where the major stuff is. Most if not all the maps are
produced by the Corp (except the specific maps for Hazlet, then that is IL
I have heard they have been facing more and more cut backs, so the quality
of the maps may suffer.

The BEST map for the area is the "Carlyle Lake Hunting and Fishing Guide"
(grayish map, small when folded down, pencil sketch of a dead tree with
ducks landing on the front of the map)
It has many if not all the places mentioned by birders.
Since it is a Army Corp of Engineers produced map, a BETTER place to get
this map is the COE Administration building NEXT to the Visitor's Center (I
was originally directing people to go to the Hazlet State Park Admin
building and they don't always have these maps) The Corp Admin Building is
open during the week, think from 8 AM to 4 P, M-F..
The Visitor's Center is open Sat & Sun, think 10 AM to 6 PM, but don't
know what kind of maps they have.

More detailed directions to birding spots at Carlyle and surrounding areas,
including a map, is in the St. Louis area birding book by Alwood, Bauer,
Korotev, Anderson and
Van Benthuysen.
See to find out hoe to obtain a copy of the book.

Also another good book for all of IL, not just Carlyle, is the book by
Sheryl DeVore, "Birds of Illinois".
Think  or the ABA on-line store would still sell this book .
Those living on the East side of MO that venture into IL to bird could find
this a good purchase to make.

The fellow you are referring to is Bill RUDDEN.
A long time super birder than comes out ever so often when the zooties are
too good to resist. He has several  mentions in the record books of both IL
and MO.

Guess yesterday morning was the time to go to see the birds there, because
late afternoon was not good at all due to the heat distortion. Oh well.

Glad others had a good day at Carlyle. :-)

Everyone have a good weekend wherever you may be.
Charlene Malone
St. Louis co.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Downing" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:06 PM
Subject: Carlyle Lake

We had great luck at Carlyle Lake Wed and Thurs.  Best luck was running into
a birder from St. Louis (Bill Runnells-- sp?) who first pointed out the 2
Sanderling to me--then later when he showed up  at picnic area next to
Pavillion he pointed out the jaeger species. Picked up 7 species for Il list
and 1 or 2 lifers.

Monks parakeet at the elevator  Wed aft. 4:30  1

West end of dam: 11 AM ish
Caspian, Common, Black, Forsters terns
Bonapartes gull
2 Sanderling

East side from overlook  7-9 AM
Sabines  gull  immature flyover
2 red-Necked Phalaropes in water

Hazlett Park area picnic park next to pavillion or shelter after 12 PM
Bill spotted the jaeger accross  on the east side of lake--jaeger brought up
a long line of gulls--finally pursued one --got his fish ate it and rested
on water  From this activity Bill felt probability was good for Parasitic
and not the Long-tailed.  Also thought long-tailed was not as aggressive and
usually was found in pairs.  Not a slam-dunk but pretty good.

Note on Carlyle:  very confusing--maps are not tuned into birders needs .
Distances need to be noted-specific instructions to areas should be uniform.
Locals were wonderful--had much help from them-3 even offered to lead me to
the sites!  They certainly know now that birders are in the area!

Anne Downing

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