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John,

Thanks for the directions. i went there Tuesday evening and had a few Soras
and a Solitary Sandpiper.
In the trees by the old O.K. Corral, I had a Yellow Warbler. Of course, a
few Swamp and Song Sparrows were in the field. What a fantastic area!

Question: This area is usually called "Little Creve Coeur Lake" (or
sometimes "Little...Marsh," but the posted signs in the area reference it as
"Mitigation Marsh." I assume it's referring to the same place as LCCL. If
that's the case, I would suggest that's what it ought to be called. I think
the LCCL name is contributing to the confusion. I've driven around Creve
Coeur Lake looking for another lake to the west of it, but have been totally
confused.

The posted signs also say, "Do not Disturb." Should we take that to mean
"everyone except serious birders?" I'd like to feel that I could traverse
the area with as little disturbance as possible to get some better looks
myself. What's the proper birding etiquette on this?


Bob Bailey
St. Louis, MO


>From: John and Nancy Solodar <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: John and Nancy Solodar <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Directions to LCCL (also called LCCM)
>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:11:17 -0500
>
>I have had a couple of requests recently for directions to Little Creve
>Coeur Lake (Marsh).   The roads have been changed since "Birds of St.
>Louis"
>was published so I thought that I would post the current directions.
>There
>are two main choices.
>
>  GETTING THERE
>
>(1) From the intersection of I-270 and Olive, take Olive west for 2.0 miles
>to the intersection of Olive and Creve Coeur Mill Rd (white royal Bank
>Building on corner).   Take Creve Coeur Mill Rd exactly 1.3 miles to the
>road over the railroad tracks leading to Seeger Golf Driving Range.   Turn
>left and go in here all the way to the red barns in the back.   Park in
>front of either one just so you do not block any doors.  The marsh/lake of
>LCCL or LCCM is just over the ridge behind the barns.
>
>(2) From St. Charles County on I-70 heading East.  Cross the Missouri River
>and take the 1st exit which is Earth City Expressway.   Get into the left
>lane and head South on Earth City Expressway .   After about 1.25 miles I
>think that Earth City Expressway will swing right and become Maryland
>Heights Expressway.   (I have not driven this myself, but clearly this is
>what seems to happen.)  Follow this road for a few traffic lights looking
>for a sign for Creve Coeur Mill Rd to the left.  Take this left, follow it
>under the bridge for the Page Avenue Expressway and continue until you see
>a
>sign for Seeger Golf Driving Range on the right.  Enter here and proceed as
>in (1).
>
>ACCESS
>
>The best first access is to walk back around the small fenced-in horse
>corral (no longer in use) that you passed at the end of the line of
>sycamore
>trees.  Keep going around and follow the obvious wide path/sometimes-road
>down the hill.   This puts you onto the dike road.   Soon you will see
>water
>on your right.   This is the lake/marsh area.  Usually we walk the dike
>road
>and check both sides.   Sometimes we go off the road and walk on land along
>the water's edge.  You can go pretty far this way.    The Harris' Sparrow
>was reported the last two days from the horse corral area.
>
>At the far end of the dike road it leads around an old baseball field and
>eventually to the baseball complex on River Valley Drive which is mentioned
>in the Birds of St. Louis book.   This complex will be closed next year.
>The complex is one other access point, but the road that leads to it from
>Creve Coeur Mill Rd, Waterworks Rd, is currently closed for construction.
>You can also get here by taking Creve Coeur Mill Rd to the new intersection
>with Maryland Heights Expressway and turning left then picking up River
>Valley Drive over the Page Ave extension, past the Mitigation Marsh/Pond
>and
>then, following a left turn, to the complex.  There are some wet areas
>behind the complex that have been quite productive in years past.
>
>Another viewing strategy is to walk past the red barns where you parked and
>look over the marsh from the edge of the ridge.   There are often many
>sparrows in the bushes along this ridge.  You can also enter the marsh from
>the ridge.   Mike Brady does this with waders, which is how he gets his
>good
>birds.   We did it one August in shorts and got the good birds, but the
>sawgrass cut our legs pretty badly.
>
>
>John Solodar - Birding Trip Coordinator for St. Louis Audubon Society
>
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