How disgustingly patronizing can people get!!!

There were MAJOR libraries in Poland approximately 300 years before there
was a MINOR one in America.

What rubbish!!!

Jacek NieŠko
Washington DC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: Eliot's article

> Eliot's lectures at the University of Virginia were published in the book
> "After Strange Gods" in 1934 but the book was never reprinted.  It
> might be hard to find in Poland unless you've got a really great
> lending library system.
> The work is still under copyright protection and so shouldn't be
> online but I performed a meta-search for a few quirky phrases that
> wouldn't likely show up as quotes.  Nothing was found.
> I did come across this starting excerpt from an article in the ANQ
> that might stir things up a bit:
>     ANQ : Knowing good and evil: T.S. Eliot and 'Lady Chatterley's Lover.'
>     (T.S.Eliot at 110) : Kojecky, Roger
>     That Eliot did not allow After Strange Gods to be reprinted(1) is well
>     known, and it is sometimes attributed to some change of mind. But two
>     letters he wrote to Helen Gardner(2) in the aftermath of the 1960
>     trial in London, in which the publishers of Lawrence's Lady
>     Chatterley' s Lover were acquitted of charges relating to obscenity,
>     show that Eliot was then affirming convictions essentially similar to
>     those set forth in the lectures at the University of Virginia in May
>     1933. Five years before his death he saw himself as engaged in the
>     same struggle , his attitude toward Lawrence remained "ambiguous , "
>     and the efforts of his own criticism were still against "evil." It was
>     not a response to the reception of After Strange Gods , but a
>     recognition that the lectures had been underprepared , that made Eliot
>     reluctant to reprint. While he was preparing the Virginia lectures for
>     the press , as he was required to do by the terms of his engagement ,
>     he wrote to Pau...
> Then there is this at
>     A Bibliography of the Southern Agrarians in the American Review
>     The word fascist is said so often as a charge against other groups,
>     that a charge of fascism is almost entirely ignored. This is
>     unfortunate. There were and are fascists, then and now. The American
>     Review was a fascist magazine. Not in the analysis of some hidden
>     meaning, or inner drive, but frankly and explicitly as it defined
>     itself.
>     It was published from 1933 to 1938. It was a strong advocate of
>     fascist ideas. It also was the home of the Southern Agrarian
>     writers. A lot of excuses have been made for the Southern Agrarians
>     being involved with this magazine, the type of excuses that persons
>     who want to accept excuses would be willing to accept. Evidently our
>     dainty souls who were horrified that a factory might be built near
>     Nashville, were quite content to swim in the gutter with real
>     fascists. They were willing to give an American cover for foreign
>     fascist ideology.
> Regards,
>     Rick Parker
> Nancy Gish wrote:
> >
> > Dear Zaneta,
> >
> > That is the correct information about the publication.  It was reprinted
> > (with some alterations) as part I of AFTER STRANGE GODS.  That should be
> > in any major library.  If there is any internet availability, Rick
> > Parker will no doubt know.
> > Nancy
> >
> > >>> [log in to unmask] 02/08/04 1:51 PM >>>
> > Dear List,
> >
> > I am trying to obtain Eliot s article  "Tradition and Orthodoxy".   To
> > the best
> > of my knowledge, it was published in the American Review, in March,
> > 1934.   Has
> > anybody read that article?  Whom would I have to contact to get it?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Zaneta