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Dear Listers, Some of our off-topic judgments and, should i say, *evaluations* seem to be a bit too strict, I daresay a bit too categorical. With all due respect, I hardly expect ready-made truth announcements on the subject of world politics (or on any subject, *a jerk like Berlusconi*, *the moron* Bush, and the *third rate actor-in-politics* A.Sh. included) from a European or an American with a corresponding cultural background. Especially from a non-politician, but a humble admirer of modernist poetry and/or Eliot*s verse in particular, like myself. As the reader of most messages who rarely jumps into discussion, I would definitely welcome more flexibility, or perhaps even indirectness in our judgments, which may prove helpful in discussing fields beyond our direct expertise. Temur On Oct 9 2003, Automatic digest processor wrote: > There are 20 messages totalling 1164 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. OT or OT? politics/Bush, et.al. (8) > 2. T.E. vs D.H. (2) > 3. Is TWM a 'cool' poem in the sense of Mcluhan? (4) > 4. Is TWL a 'cool' poem in the sense of Mcluhan? (6) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:51:46 +0200 > From: Gunnar Jauch <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: OT or OT? politics/Bush, et.al. > > am 7.10.03 15:39 Uhr schrieb Nancy Gish unter [log in to unmask]: > > > Dear Gunnar, > > > > You're preaching to the choir. > > Not necessarily, dear Nancy. > There are lots of tacit Bush admirers on this list, just take Eugene, our > patriotic Wall Street poet or Ken A. ... Not too many would admit it, > though. It's kind of an embarrassing thing, like having bad breath or > athlete's foot. > > > But as I always point out, Americans > > did not, in fact, "trust" to Bush. They voted for Gore by half a > > million. After 9/11 there was such terror here that people truly > > needed to believe in someone. Bush seems to have squandered > > that. His is now back down in polls to where he was before it, and a > > solid majority of Americans believe we are "seriously on the wrong > > track." I don't know if that poll has been reported where you are. > > Plus the leak of a CIA operative is a big problem for him--especially > > since his father ran the CIA. > > > > California, on the other hand. . . . . . > > And they did it again! > After turning a third rate actor into a President. > > That's pretty sickening. Goes to show what show biz can do. > > This was how a jerk like Berlusconi became Italy's President: > He simply owned most Italy's TV channels... > > > Nancy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 09:54:09 +0200 > From: Gunnar Jauch <[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: OT or OT? politics/Bush, et.al. > > am 7.10.03 23:29 Uhr schrieb Carrol Cox unter [log in to unmask]: > > > Nancy Gish - Women's Studies wrote: > >> > >> [clip] > > > >> But the question is what should be done to prevent that. An > >> argument was made and can still be made that inspections worked > >> and were working and that is why his "program" was not producing. > >> Why are we, then, not invading North Korea? > > > Simple: 'cause there ain't no oil there... > > > Gunnar > > ------------------------------