----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Audrey TaschiniSent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:16 PMSubject: Re: OT: ADL Honors Berlusconi
I wouldn't say that the italian "liceo classico" can be called "the best kind" of education in Italy before moving up to university....maybe 20 years ago when a classical education gave you a certain status but things have much changed since then and many schools have been created which are equally enriching...Personally, I'm pretty glad I have had the opportunity to study modern languages and Literature...AudreySara Trevisan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:In truth, in our pre-collegiate education we have so much stuff to study (from ancient Greece to the 1900s) that the last part of the schedule is usually rushed. We spend lots of hours on the single battles of WWI, Fascism here and German Nazism, the battles of WWII. I was not taught about Malatesta, and I attended the best high school in Italy (not the specific institution, but the kind, which is the Classical one).Anyway, they Enrico and Sigismondo cannot be related, since the last member of the Malatestas died in the 16th century. Enrico died in 1932, that's all I know.Sara----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Richard SeddonSent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:57 PMSubject: Re: OT: ADL Honors BerlusconiDear Gunnar, Mav, Sara, and Zaneta:I am afraid that most of my Berlusconi post might have been lost in Gunnar's initial misreading of the first part. My apologies for evidently misleading at least him.I am curious if Europeans have asked why no other major leader besides Berlusconi was given the ADL award and the reasons that might be being advanced as to the reason for the award to Berlusconi. I personally think that it is a backhand slap by the ADL at the other major European leaders but would really enjoy "ground truth" input. Jimmy Carter's Nobel Peace Prize has been widely reputed, over here, to be the same sort of back hand slap but at George W Bush. I am not sure that the ADL is to be assumed the toady to Bush that Gunnar seems to think. Of course I may be underestimating the tolerance of Europeans for immediate Bush bashing as the answer to most ills.For the Italians: I am genuinely interested to know if Enrico Malatesta was a descendent of Sigismundo Malatesta. It would make a curious "luminous detail" (to use an Ezra Pound concept) to find that Enrico and Sigismundi were related. I am also curious to know if their fame has been continued in Italy. Are you taught of them in pre-collegiate education? They were both Italian giants of European history whose greater fame has now sadly faded.Rick SeddonMcIntosh, NM----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Richard SeddonSent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:07 PMSubject: Re: OT: ADL Honors BerlusconiDear Flabbergasted GunnarIf you are unfamiliar with your history please do not ask an American to try to explain it to you. I tried to use terms precisely. If you are unfamiliar with the terms I used then I suggest a political dictionary.There is a huge difference with what you thought I wrote and what I wrote. I can only assume you did not read and understand what I wrote but instead reacted with prejudice to certain words and phrases.If you will please note I did not say that Europe was forming a government based upon Communism and Fascism. I did say it was putting together an admirable system of democratic government based upon the Idealism within those failed systems. Much of that Idealism was first formed in reaction to the leftist goals of European Liberalism and Anarchism. Of course Communism and Fascism's inability to even come close to its Idealism is one of the tragedies of your history. Europe's democratic socialism is another try at secular communalism and as such it continues to be a reactionary force to the old European leftist Ideals of Liberalism and Anarchism. Hopefully in this rendition you have found the cure for secular communalism's proclivity for tyrants and will be able to find a place for the Individual rights as espoused by the original impractical European Leftists. As Rexroth points out in his book "Communalism", only forms of Communalism built around a Religion of some sort have succeeded. My hope is that Europe has found the answer this time and will be able to succeed with Secular Communalism.Please read my comments thoroughly before assuming you know what I am saying.Rick SeddonMcIntosh, NM
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