Dear George,

I don't think we are disagreeing.  I know very well personally how mind and
body interact, and I did not mean one could not live or act in ways that
trigger or exacerbate emotional or mental illness.  I only meant that it is
simply not true that it must be about guilt or failure if one suffers.

And I agree that the worst thing that happens is treating of everything with
drugs.  I did not at all mean to imply that was a good thing.  A key reason
it happens is that it is cheaper than therapy.  An interesting related issue
is the way WWI soldiers with "shell shock" were given shock therapy to
get them back to marching so they could return to France and the
trenches to be shelled.  They had no time or money for real treatment.
Like Septimus, many never recovered if they did survive.

Date sent:              Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:35:27 +0100
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Nancy Gish wrote:

> Dear Will,
> I am sorry but this is simply not true.  For example, post-traumatic
> stress disorder is not brought on by oneself.  Schizophrenia is not
> brought on by oneself.  Depression can be caused by many events that
> trigger it.

Well, I believe (from talking to my girlfriend, who is a clinical
psychologist) that most people agree that psychological state can
influence a wide range of physiological states, and can bring on or
exacerbate illnesses, 'mental' as well as bodily.. hence the importance of
an approach to treatment that does more than to simply administer drugs
(which isn't to say that such drugs can't have a profound effect).
Nonetheless, there's too much misunderstanding about depression (and
mental illness) and one should be very careful to avoid the mentality that
says "what do they have to be unhappy about?  They should just cheer