Dear Professor,

Are you making any inference to Mathew Arnold ? If so,
I would be interested to know in what context you are
making it.


--- Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Also, there is the observation from some critic
> or other that in some predecessor of modern English
> the word means TOUCHSTONE, a stone used for
> distnguishing
> real from fool's gold.
> Rub yourself against Prufrock to see if you are real
> or not.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Gray
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 5/12/03 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: An amateur Eliot enthusiast's wild
> musing
> Rita,
>     Nancy's right on here. Prufrock-Littau (if my
> memory serves me) was
> the name of a furniture store in St. Louis where
> Eliot grew up. The
> connotations of Prufrock's names are also
> significant: Alfred, like the
> heroic king -- also a very English name and rather
> old; Prufrock, which
> combines something like 'prude' and 'frock',
> definitely a recent name,
> and not English. These two names alone form a
> paradox. In addition, the
> title as a whole rings paradoxically -- the love
> song of who? Not some
> Romantic name, but rather the very
> business-card-like "J. Alfred
> Prufrock." Pretty sanitary.
> The poem has been interpreted various ways, as a
> critique of early 20th
> century society (the women come and go, talking of
> Michelangelo) or of
> modern man (Prufrock himself as an impotent man --
> in many ways), etc.
> Personally I read the poem as a collection of many
> of these
> interpretations (Eliot was rather profound, you
> know!) as well as an
> autobiographical account from a young Eliot in the
> mouth of Prufrock,
> trying to decide whether to become a poet or not.
> Will he get
> inspiration? Should he keep up with the fads or be
> true to his own sense
> of what is important? What if no one cares, even if
> he said something
> stunningly new? The 'you' and 'I', then, would be
> Eliot talking to
> himself, perhaps something very much like the
> difference between "the
> man who suffers and the mind which creates" (from
> "Tradition and the
> Individual Talent").
> Just some thoughts. Hope things go well for your
> class this evening. You
> are privileged to be in the shrinking number of
> those who love learning.
> Will Gray
> >>> [log in to unmask] 05/12/03 12:19PM >>>
> There was a business sign in St. Louis with the name
> "Prufrock" on it,
> and
> the name has been attributed to that.  Eliot also
> said he chose it just
> because of the sound.  He said various things at
> various times.
> Nancy
> Date sent:              Mon, 12 May 2003 11:41:03
> -0400
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> <[log in to unmask]>
> From:                   Rita Proffitt
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject:                Re: An amateur Eliot
> enthusiast's wild musing
> To:                     [log in to unmask]
> Thanks to everyone for the advice, corrections, and
> encouragement. I
> have
> my class tonight and we will be discussing Prufrock.
> Does anyone know
> why
> Eliot chose that name? What does J stand for? And of
> course if you want
> to
> tell me what the poem means to you, I would love to
> hear. Will be
> interesting to compare to the class's ideas. However
> I am attending with
> mostly 19 y/o who just want to go out and party. Am
> one of the few
> serious
> students. rita

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