The Beguines?  Marguerite Porete?

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From: Peter Montgomery

> In what aspect of medieval culture wasn't Eliot interested,
> and by which wasn't he influenced?

Wycliffe and the Lollards? (too anti-Church for his taste?)


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> Really Nancy!?
> Eliot + Dante = Prufrock
>   1   +   1   = 3
> Not fruitful?
> Cheers,
> Peter.
> Dr. Peter C. Montgomery
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> From: Nancy Gish [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:41 PM
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> Yes, I read the Pearl and Gawain.  I studied with Sherman Kuhn and read
> Medieval Intellectual history with John Sommerfeldt who started the
> Medieval Institute.  We all read Medieval at one point in American
> education didn't we? There are broad themes and assumptions one can find
> in the Middle Ages.  There is not a single way of thinking.
> I do not think this a very fruitful debate.
> Nancy
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> Subject:                Medieval Thinking
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> In a message dated 4/3/03 7:01:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >
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> > Since my reply to this seemed to evoke confusion, I am replying again.
> > "Most great Medieval thinkers" is so vast a set that I do not think
> > any valid claim can possibly be made about them.  Is this early and
> > late Medieval? All countries?  Mystics and all others?  Chaucer?  My
> > point is that humans vary immensely in their ideas in all times and
> > places.
> >
> >From Boethius (the last classical thinker and first medieval thinker)
> through at Least Chaucer [and so maybe I am abandoning the very late
> Middle Ages] there is a mode of thinking [at least partially, if not
> greatly influenced by Christian, Muslim, and Jewish Mystics] that the
> act of copulation is created by God to demonstrate to humans how
> divinity works.  1+1=3 is a kind of Kabbalistic mantra -- there is
> always something more there.  This is why Dante is so Vehemently
> anti-homosexual and anti-usurist.   Homosexuals cannot make a third from
> their couple and Usurers make something from an inanimate object
> (money).  This thread runs through Medieval literature (at least
> Medieval English and Italian and Provencal literature), just read _The
> Pearl_ or _Sir Gawain and the Green Knight_ Michael