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And the comment extolling Chirac is one of the most idiotic I've seen and
heard for quite a while.

You mean to say that we (trolls and occasionally a non-troll among us)
should be impressed with the French political elite to have waited SIXTY
years to say something not-so-nice about Vichy?????!!!!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacek Niecko" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Eliot and Royalism (was : Vichy/Verdenals )


> At least one has the comfort of knowing one is not alone.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "INGELBIEN RAPHAEL" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Eliot and Royalism (was : Vichy/Verdenals )
>
>
> > > even assuming that the
> > > England he inhabited by choice for the last half-century of his life
> > > had offered him a royalist movement to join.
> >
> > It did provide such an opportunity, actually. The abdication crisis of
> 1936
> > split English opinion, and some of Edward VIII's supporters wanted a
> > bigger public role for their embattled monarch.
> > Eliot wrote an (uncollected) article in New English Weekly (25 Feb 1937)
> > where he distanced himself from those who held 'a conception of the
> monarchy
> > in which the hereditary claimant to our allegiance should double the
role
> of
> > duce or fuerher'.
> > In other words, Eliot chose to defend the institution of the monarchy
> > against the king.
> >
> > Eliot's connection with the Action Française aroused many suspicions, of
> > course. In the review that was referred to recently, Orwell wrote that
the
> > emphasis on defeat in 'East Coker' was a sign of 'literary Pétainism'.
But
> > he did not press the point, and stopped short of accusing Eliot of
> sympathy
> > for collaborationists.
> >
> > > Jacek Niecko wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I suspect that Mr Villepin would have felt very comfortable as
foreign
> > > > minister of the "government" at Vichy.
> >
> > Whatever his faults (and I'd say there are quite a few), Chirac was the
> > first French president to acknowledge the French responsibility for the
> > Vichy regime. The recent flurry of e-mails about French affairs was not
> just
> > thoroughly unpleasant, it also showed that our trolls and nutcases are
as
> > abysmally ignorant about France as they are about most topics discussed
on
> > this list.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Raphaël
> > [log in to unmask]
> >