I wish I had a transcript of the thrashing that Chirac alias DeGaulle gave to the new entrants to the EU for their siding with the US in that letter of 8 European PMs. He talked about their bad breeding, their bad tables manners &c. Then he said, this would have been an excellent opport- unity to shut up. I bust a gut. How quintessentially French was that rhetoric. Cheers, Peter. Dr. Peter C. Montgomery Dept. of English Camosun College 3100 Foul Bay Rd. Victoria, BC CANADA V8P 5J2 [log in to unmask] www.camosun.bc.ca/~peterm -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Gish [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 7:19 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Do I dare--Podsnap returns Kate, I had read this also, and it makes me embarrassed to be an American. Are you suggesting by sending it that this sort of crude podsnappery is ok or reasonable? As the statistics I sent show, 59% of Americans share France's desire to let the UN have more time and 62% share France's desire that the allies be in agreement. Shall we boycott, dump, and mock more than half of us? It's all very amusing to select a target and sneer, but it is not adult or intelligent or useful. Nancy Date sent: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:25:55 EST Send reply to: "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]> From: Kate Troy <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Do I dare disturb the French? To: [log in to unmask] PHILADELPHIA (Feb. 20) - Mon dieu, how some Americans are bashing the French these days! Americans galled by France's reluctance to endorse an invasion of Iraq are boycotting French wine and french fries and trading jokes and insults about all things Gallic. A Las Vegas radio station Tuesday used an armored vehicle to crush photographs of French President Jacques Chirac, photocopies of the French flag, a Paris travel guide, bottles of wine and a loaf of French bread. In Beaufort, N.C., one restaurant owner took french fries off his menu and replaced them with ''freedom fries.'' In West Palm Beach, Fla., bar owner Ken Wagner dumped his entire stock of French wine and champagne into the street, vowing to serve vintages only from nations that support U.S. policy. And Palm Beach County Commissioner Burt Aaronson said he would try to block a subsidiary of the French conglomerate Vivendi from getting a $25 million government contract to build a sludge treatment plant. ''France's attitude toward the United States is deplorable. I don't want to have any French companies earning dollars from American interests,'' the 75-year-old Aaronson said. ''We've left thousands of our men and women over in France, underground. It's quite possible that if we didn't send our troops there, the French people would all be speaking German.'' France is far from alone in pushing for a delay in military action. Germany, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Greece, Ireland and Luxembourg have all said they would prefer to give U.N. weapons inspections more time. But it is the French who have borne the brunt of U.S. scorn and become the butt of jokes about their beret-wearing, wine-drinking, cheese-eating, Jerry Lewis-loving, literature-deconstructing, surrendering-to-the-Germans ways. ''France wants more evidence,'' David Letterman wisecracked. ''The last time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through France with a German flag.'' Comedian Dennis Miller quipped: ''The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq.'' Rep. Roy Blunt, Mo.-R., warmed up a crowd of GOP leaders in Missouri last week by saying, ''Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris? It's not known, it's never been tried.'' And this: ''Somebody was telling me about the French Army rifle that was being advertised on eBay the other day - the description was, 'Never shot. Dropped once.''' And this, too: ''Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without your accordion.'' The New York Post branded France and Germany ''the axis of weasel,'' then ran a doctored page-one photo that put giant weasel heads on the shoulders of the French and German ambassadors to the United Nations. Natalie Loiseau, spokeswoman for the French Embassy in Washington, said the barbs go beyond the dispute over Iraq. ''There is kind of a tradition of French-bashing here,'' she said Wednesday. ''There is a kind of rivalry. It has lasted for years, and for centuries, really.'' Mark Twain joked in an 1879 journal, ''There is nothing lower than the human race except the French.''