Dear JP,

What syllable are you giving the second stress?  One cannot say "Th'in
TOL er A ble SHIRT of FLAME."  No one would stress the "a," so I am still
unclear how this is meant.  I do not think any implied meter can be
assumed to call for stressing a sound no English speaker would ever hear
or say with stress.

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Subject:                Re: Meter in LG IV/208
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I agree here with Greg, except that I hear a common hymnodic elision
between "the" and "intolerable," sometimes printed as "th' in" or with a
half-moon sort of thing linking the "e" to the "in,"  hence
      _    /  _  /  _      /   _    /
"Th' in tol er a ble shirt of flame"
Not that it would actually be *read* that way, but that is the implied
meter ticking behind it, by my reckoning. Also, I don't think anyone
pointed out that the first stanza has a strongly implied tetrameter
scansion (using a "feminine" final foot on second and fourth lines
(terror/error), but also having the trimeter third line "Of which the
tongues declare."

J. P. Earls, OSB
St. John' University
Collegeville, MN  56321

-----Original Message-----
From: D.Gregory Griffith [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:37 PM
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Subject: Re: Meter in LG IV/208

As I look at the way my post has come back to me, I'd like to
appologize for the scan marks being skewed from the lines of the
poem--that's not what it looked like as I transmitted it. Rather than
resubmit the entire post hoping it will come out the way I want, I'll let
the majority stand and offer a correction on the line I had difficulties
with. Line four in my opinion should read: _     _   /      _ /     _    /
        _   / The intol    era    ble shirt   of flame

Rather than:
_      _  /      _ _ _       /     _    /
The intol    erable    shirt of flame

Hope this one flies! --Greg--