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Is there an aspect of British (or any other) politics and/or literature that
Nancy Gish hasn't covered in, as we say down here in the States, in depth?

Jacek
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From: "Nancy Gish" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: OT British politics (was Thatcher)


> I'm sure you're right about the general effect of tactical voting in
Britain, but
> I think the Scottish issue also fits in, as they were predictably more
> Labour than Lib-Dem.  But I think Thatcher's triumphalist self-
> representations need explaining on this side of the Atlantic, as our
system
> is so much a two-party one (and one with a direct election of the
> president) that she can appear to have been a great favorite.  I don't
think
> she was or that she was generally beloved by middle class women.  So
> what I meant to do was make the point that her 12 years did not mean she
> was ever a majority favorite among women or anyone else.
>
> Was she?
>
> I don't think there is any comparison between Le Pen and either Labour or
> the Lib-Dems.  Surely that must be obvious.  Neither is or was a radical
> extremist party, and in fact the Lib-Dems have been very centrist on many
> issues all along.
> Nancy
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> From:                   INGELBIEN RAPHAEL <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject:                Re: OT British politics (was Thatcher)
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> > I was living in London at the time Thatcher first won.  She did not
> receive a
> > majority by any means.  What happened was that the Lib-Dems broke off
> > from Labour and the non-Thatcher vote was split.  To my knowledge she
> > never won a majority in her 12 years.  As I remember, she won 41% that
> > first time
>
> True - but then no single post-war British government ever polled more
> than 50 % in a general election. Thatcher's scores were decent, if not
> extraordinary. In 1974, Labour got a (slender) majority in the Commons
> with less than 40 % of the vote. The split of the non-Thatcher vote should
> not be exaggerated. In many constituencies, the left-wing vote wasn't
> split down the middle, but went either to Labour (mostly in the North) or
> to the Lib Dems (mostly in the South). Tactical voting has always been
> fairly widespread in Britain.
>
> BTW, I don't know what Peter implies when he says people 'held their
> noses' when they voted Thatcher, 'given the alternatives'. At the last
> French election, some people held their noses and voted Chirac - the
> alternative was Le Pen. Surely neither Labour nor the Lib Dems were ever
> as disreputable as that?
>
> > I kept
> > thinking at the time that absolutely nothing could have helped the
> > "yes/yes" vote more than Thatcher running up there to urge Scots not to.
>
> Apparently even the Scottish Tories shared your analysis. They politely
> tried to dissuade her from visiting Scotland, but they failed to stop her
> - much to their dismay...
>
> Yours,
>
> RaphaŽl
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