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I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THIS  VITUPERATION IS ALL ABOUT
BUT I'D LIKE TO QUOTE A CASUAL COMMENT BY AUDEN WHO ONCE SAID (and more
power to him) when asked about the meaning of one of his poems:  "It's all
words.  All there's is to it is words"---perhaps this will somehow calm down
Nancy Gish and her Ilk--
in their present predicament, whatever it is, and whatever it portends....

Jacek Niecko
Washington, DC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Gish" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: 800 American professors and one student are wrong again


> Do you not see that YOUR post is ad hominem, vituperative, and in praise
> of ignorance (uninterest in any political position is just that)?  And do
you
> not see that this list is not made up of any ivory tower (were there such
a
> thing rather than an easy and false cliche, which there is not) but mainly
of
> people in many kinds of positions who are mostly not academics?  That
> your assumption of a superior intellectual position outside any such place
> or set of ideologies is both self-serving and absurd--and itself
ideologically
> driven?  And that the mockery of academic communities (of which you are
> a member) is mockery of over a thousand years of accumulated
> knowledge and transmission of ideas, and that it is a shameless (and
> commonplace) self-aggrandizement appealing to anti-intellectualism--quite
> apart from being an undemonstrable sweeping generalization?
>
> If you have a point to argue, please do.  This is not one, and it is
certainly
> unworthy of the education you are privileged to be getting.  I am assuming
> the grammatical incompetence is a Poundian self-assertion and not a
> failure of Berkeley.
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
> Date sent:              Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:33:48 -0800
> Send reply to:          "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum."
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> From:                   "Harm Tron v2.0b2r7" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject:                Re: 800 American professors are wrong again
> To:                     [log in to unmask]
>
> >From: [log in to unmask]
> >Reply-To: "T. S. Eliot Discussion forum." <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: 800 American professors are wrong again
> >Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:45:05 EST
> >
> >    During the twentieth century, many so-called intellectuals publicly
> >rationalized away the murderous crimes of communist regimes, especially
> >those of Lenin, Stalin and Mao. And, of course, history has seen
> >intellectuals like Ezra Pound extolling the fascist virtues of Mussolini.
> >So forgive me for being completely unimpressed with the misguided
> >statements of 800 intellectuals. If 800 people babble the same gibberish,
> >it does not make it truthful. After all, in the often-sorry history of
> >humankind, people have been executed for challenging the accepted
> >majority view that the Earth is the center of the Universe, with the Sun
> >revolving around it.
>
> rah rah rah!
>
> let me know if im wrong but i think im the only undergraduate student to
> consistently peruse this list's topics of discussion for the past two
> years or so... from my perspective, a majority of the posts are:
>
> a) self serving
> b) ideologically driven
> c) littered with ad hominems
>
> now, this is par for the course for any ivory tower community (i attend
> berkeley for chrissakes) but it seems especially self defeating for it to
> happen on a mailing list which is supposed to foster & encourage
> appreciation, study and DEBATE of tse.
>
> >    I simply refuse to allow you to spew lies against the Jewish people
> >with impunity. If your views represent the majority views of the
> >political left these days, then surely the left has wholly lost its way.
>
> for what its worth, which is not much: it serves little to no purpose to
> descend to the (base) level of those who indulge in inflammatory rhetoric,
> off-topic misrepresentations & latinate-couched vituperation. i personally
> find it more reasonable (not to mention not nearly as nerve-wrecking) to
> scan message content & scramble for the delete button at any sign or
> mention of politic, isms, ists and other assorted forms of what ive come
> to to call academic anathema.
>
> but enough of that. i wish all of you, indifferent of your leanings,
> opinions & take on tse or anything else, a very merry christmas & a joyous
> holiday season.
>
>
> /end_harm
>
>
>
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