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I just thought I would do a little pontificating myself on whatever
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Jacek
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Jean-Baptiste" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Canada and Vietnam (was, Marianne Moore poem in WWII)


> How do you know all of this, Jacek?  You don't even
> know that it's Ms. Condoleeza Rice, not Mrs. It takes
> a bit of effort to add that r between the M and S, so
> I won't buy the typo claim.
>
> And what, pray tell, are Ms Rice's "extreme"
> limitations? She couldn't get just plain old
> limitations; it's gotta be "extreme."
>
> What sexist/racist bees are floating under your
> bonnet?
> /pjb
> --- Jacek Niecko <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > The problem with Mrs. Rice is simply that she is an
> > extremely limited person
> > who owes her position exclusively to her ethnic and
> > gender status--the same,
> > by the way, is true of her predecessor of
> > sorts--former Secretary of State
> > Madeleine Albright who must be by far one of the
> > most stupid people ever
> > selected to serve as a senior government official in
> > this country.
> >
> > Jacek Niecko
> > Washington, DC
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 3:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: OT: Canada and Vietnam (was, Marianne
> > Moore poem in WWII)
> >
> >
> > > > From: Nancy Gish [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > >
> > > > I really don't think you can blame feminism for
> > Condi Rice any more than
> > > > you could praise masculism for Martin Luther
> > King or Gandhi or Viet Nam
> > > > objectors who went to Canada.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think your grouping of these latter three
> > together overlooks an
> > important point.
> > >
> > > ML King and Gandhi fought repressive systems from
> > within through passive
> > resistance, which included accepting the punishment
> > meted out by the
> > oppressors and using that punishment to illustrate
> > the injustice of what was
> > being done.  Those who went to Canada to avoid the
> > Vietnam draft -- whatever
> > their degree of principle, which presumably varied
> > -- were engaging in
> > something different.  Muhammad Ali would be the
> > better example to complete
> > your triad, as he remained in the country and thus
> > remained subject to the
> > law he was challenging (and was ultimately
> > vindicated, albeit on dubious
> > technical grounds unworthy of the principle he was
> > standing for.)  That's my
> > view of it, anyway.
> > >
> > > Tom K
>
>
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