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Alright, consider the fact that he got published and promoted
her SAVANAROLA for her in the late twenties, does that not
count? Consider that her SAVONAROLA had a strong general
influence on his MURDER IN THE CATHEDRAL, and a very
specific influence in his having Beckett throw open the doors
of the Cathderal to let in the martyrers after the manner of
her Savonarola.

You might wish to consult Howarth's NOTES ON SOME FIGURES
for the finer details, including how her poetry had
certain characteristics that matched Eliot's.

Dr. Peter C. Montgomery
Dept. of English
Camosun College
3100 Foul Bay Rd.
Victoria, BC CANADA V8P 5J2
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How about her?  He had a complicated relation with her and a very intense
one.  I did not name her because she was not one of his literary group that
he helped or hindered--the set I commented on.  I know her poetry
mattered to him.  I think it is not at all clear how.
Nancy



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How about his mother?
Cheers,
Peter

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I've no idea who you mean but I'm naming the ones I intend.
Nancy



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From: Nancy Gish
Eliot clearly liked women; he said at one
point to Aiken (I think) that he was very dependent on their company. He
had women friends all his life and in some cases was very emotionally
intimate with them--Mary Trevelyan for example.  But that is quite
separate from his belief that with rare exceptions they could not write
poetry and his preference for keeping them out of publication.  His
championing of Marianne Moore and--at one time but not consistently--
Djuna Barnes are presented by him as clear exceptions to a general rule.
=========================================== I think you're forgetting
someone.

Cheers,
Peter.