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Dear Marcia,

In answer to your question, No.  I think this is very valuable and
insightful.
Nancy

On 10 Oct 2002, at 14:06, Marcia Karp <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Ken Armstrong wrote:
>
> > At 03:49 PM 10/9/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >What suggests it is an argument at all?  It does not set itself up to be
> > >logical or not circular.
> >
> >    You imply that it does set itself up to be  something. What?
>
> Dear Ken and All,
>
>     Here is Ovid on Atalanta:
>
>      talis erat cultu, facies, quam dicere vere
>      virgineam in puero, puerilem in virgine possis
>      [Metam.,VIII.332-323]
>
> No need to know the language in order to see the chiasmus in the second
> line.  Girl boy, boy girl.  [The Latin inflections make it harder to be as
> vague or suggestive (or what you will) as Keats is in his line.]
>     Here's John Dryden's translation
>
>      Such was her Face, as in a Nymph display’d
>      A fair fierce Boy, or in a Boy betray’d
>      The blushing Beauties of a modest Maid. [Meleager and Atalanta,
>      74-76]
>
> He keeps the rhetorical figure.  Both Ovid and Dryden enact the difficulty of
> separating Atalanta’s tightly mingled  parts.  I'd always taken Keats'
> pronouncement as a similarly indivisible whole.  Have I been too
> simple-minded?
>
> Marcia